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Kane

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If they arrest you, hire a lawyer and ask him about your chances of getting the mushrooms from your apt suppressed.

What exactly was in the package in the mail?

If the package was legal, I don't believe they had probable cause to enter your apt without your consent. Even if it was illegal, they still should have gone to a judge and gotten a warrant first. Either way - based on your posts - I think you've got a good shot at getting whatever was seized from your apt suppressed.

However, ultimately that decision will be made by a judge (based on all the evidence presented to him), not by me or anybody else on this site.
 


Some Random Guy

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What the OP was told be the seller was that the spores are legal to possess. However, the police are treating them as proof of intent to manufacture. This is similar to police saying that legal cold medicine is a precursor to meth. Esp if you find a little meth in the fridge alongside the precursors.
 

BeGone

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Some Random Guy said:
What the OP was told be the seller was that the spores are legal to possess. However, the police are treating them as proof of intent to manufacture. This is similar to police saying that legal cold medicine is a precursor to meth. Esp if you find a little meth in the fridge alongside the precursors.

yes thats true. however at the time they entered my house they had no proof i had anything illegal in my apt, they also had no proof as to what was in the syringe, they claimed they came to ask what was in the syringe. if they didnt know what it was, and didnt KNOW that it was an illegal item (which it wasnt its 100% legal to get sent through the mail and to possess) then they had no probable cause that a crime had been committed which would be the ONLY reason they could enter without permission after hearing "noises" inside the apt.
 

BeGone

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Kane said:
If they arrest you, hire a lawyer and ask him about your chances of getting the mushrooms from your apt suppressed.

What exactly was in the package in the mail?

If the package was legal, I don't believe they had probable cause to enter your apt without your consent. Even if it was illegal, they still should have gone to a judge and gotten a warrant first. Either way - based on your posts - I think you've got a good shot at getting whatever was seized from your apt suppressed.

However, ultimately that decision will be made by a judge (based on all the evidence presented to him), not by me or anybody else on this site.

in the package was a 20cc plastic syringe with a 1 inch metal needle attached (a normal syringe like vets use) which contained water and the spores. the spores are mixed into the water giving it a purple tint. also they had in their hnads at the time they handcuffed me an UNOPENED package addressed to my address. it was UNOPENED and they had somehow gotten a hold of it. this I believe will be their biggest downfall. as they cant confinsacted or pick up my mail without a warrant or my consent.
 

Some Random Guy

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they claimed they came to ask what was in the syringe. if they didnt know what it was, and didnt KNOW that it was an illegal item

Police are allowed to lie to suspects during interrogations. Wait for them to make these statements in counrt and have your lawyer pounce.
 

Kalamazoo

Junior Member
Exigence?

This sounds like a "knock and talk" that took a turn into exigent circumstances, so you absolutely must read the link that senior judge gave you. As far as the package "opening" by itself at the post office, I would not believe that. More likely an X-ray device or some other new fangled thing detected the syringe and/or microbes (spores, even though they were sealed) at the post office. Welcome to the post 9-11 World. This is what brought them to your door to "knock and talk" you into surrendering your Fourth Amend Rights. But because you did not answer and they (maybe did maybe did not) hear your toilet flush then the exigent circumstances come into play. There are some things that "excuse" a police officer, and allow him to enter, such as knowing that someone inside is in need of immediate medical assistance, a felon fleeing and ducking inside (esp. with a firearm), a reasonable presumption that evidence could be or is about to be destroyed (this one even leads to not "knocking and announcing" when actually serving a search warrant) Now one thing not in your favor is that your door was not locked, therfore implying that you did not have a high expectation of privacy. Some judges will frown on the police not obtaining a search warrant when they had ample time to do so. Some judges will frown on the exigent circumstances, remember the phrase "exigence of their own making." Then there are the things they found in your apartment. Remember that they may search a "wingspan" area under your control "incident to arrest." And yes if you were handcuffed, then you were arrested, even if they said you were not and even if they let you go. It's called "implied detention." But otherwise were these things in plain view? By the way, after they entered did they try to talk you into giving them permission to search? I'm willing to bet they did, and maybe you were intimidated into giving them that permission so that you are too embarassed to tell us. But that would be the more traditional "knock and talk"**************...
 

OGofCRIMINALLAW

Junior Member
Begone--nothing's happened with your case so far because the state doesn't really have JACK. It's called TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT. They've prolly taken the evidence, as such before a judge, briefed him, blah, blah, blah---and he's thinking about it (taking it under advisment). In this case, there is no requirement on a ruling being issued. It could be in minutes, hours, days, weeks, months or years (or maybe never) before something is done.

Sounds more like the police had REASONABLE ARTICULABLE SUSPICION (a lesser form of PROBABLE CAUSE).

If your situation was crucial, you'd be hearing about it now.

As someone said, your situation may be up for CIVIL wrangling if u wanna go there (i wouldn't).

Stay kool. Live your life (move even if you want). Dont be fixed by some SWORD OF DAMOCLES stall technique. They're prolly just waiting to see if you really f#$% up.

Good luck

OG
 

BeGone

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if the arrest u in the hallway, then question you as to where the other packages u have received in the last few days are at and u say inside and they as if they can see them and you say yes while handcuffed and NOT having my Miranda rights read to me, can that "consent" be used in court?

in response to the "SWORD OF DAMOCLES" remark.
i've vomitted on a daily basis since this event. i have an anxiety disorder and to tell the truth, i'm a miserable wreck now. Impending doom is a constant feeling when i'm awake. the only peace i get is when i'm alseep, and i've had MAYBE 8 hours of sleep in the last 7 days. the cops have infact succeeded in making me miserable and have NOT in fact made ANYONE safer by doing what they did to me. i also found out that psilocybin (and its production) carry a heavier penalty than meth/heroin and meth/heroin production******************************************.. ( seriously what the ****!!???!!!?? ).

here's a detailed list story of the events i've typed out to keep as records in case this situation doesnt get decided for weeks (or months to years). i'll only post up until they enter my house and search as this is the part of the story where i believe they violated my constitutional rights based on "exigence of their own making" and lack of diligence (aka lack of emergency/exigency). here's also a list of evidence they took.
jars of fungus ( possibly containing psilocybin , i'm not sure as the spores i used were unlabeled)
2 small blue-stained mushrooms (high chance they are psilocybin however i'm not sure because i received them in the mail from a guy who was tarding me spores)
a small plastic container used to grow mushrooms (no illegal mushrooms were ever grown in this container).
a small glass pipe with a small amount of marijuana in it.

here's the story

DECEMBER 12th 2005

Aprox. 3:30pm

There is a knock at my door. I am in the bathroom , and hear a second loud pounding on my door. Seconds later there is a third loud
pounding and the words "Sheriff's Department" are said by the person(s) at the door. I exit my bathroom slamming the
bathroom cabinet shut. I walk to the front door and look through the peephole to see 2 officers. I walk back to my father's room. My father stirs on the couch, as he was sleeping but awakens, I say "Cops are at the door". My father gets up from the couch. I then hear the words "We know you're in there open up now!!".
I walk into my room where the front door is located and i hear "Come in here now" as i turn the corner, and to my surprise my unlocked door has been opened by the police and they have their weapons
drawn and aim at me. They order me to put my hands above my head and slowly approach them. I cooperate and once I get to my door an officer grabs me
pulls me into the hall, orders me to the ground face first and handcuffs me. I am under arrest whether they said those words or not.
(Those words being "You are under arrest" which they didnt say, but being dragged from my apartment at gun point and handcuffed face down on the floor is
being arrested as any "competent" and "non-corrupt" law enforcement officer would agree) They then order my father into the hall also and handcuff him at gunpoint.
We are both under arrest by every meaning of the term.

Aprox. 3:35 - 3:45pm

They sit us both up after frisking us on the floor. The officer who frisked me patted down my front pants pockets, but he however just reached into my back pockets and removed
my keys and wallet. They then sat us up against the wall of the hall. One officer then states "You two forgot to lock your door, we've been doing this a long time, we noticed you at the peephole".
The one of the officers asked "which one of you ran from the cops in Nebraska?", then looks to me and says "It was you wasnt it?". First of all this was a charge brought up against my father which was later thrown out.
He wasnt convicted , this gives them NO right to use that as reason to believe a crime had been committed. This also showed they had looked into us already, showing they had plenty of time to obtain a warrant,
which ultimately makes their EXCUSE of exigent circumstances crumble to utter sun-dried bull****. The officer that seemed in charge then showed me two packages that had been addressed to my house.
They obtained the UN-OPENED package without a warrant. The opened package which they claimed had came open at the post office (which i know isnt true as i saw it delivered to my apartment's main lobby) contained a syringe
of LEGAL fungal spores and water. He then asked me if it was ricin or perhaps anthrax**************.. come the f@*k on. If they believed it to be either of those, would he walk around with it freely, and bring it into a building
in which many elderly people lived? Also would he have even carried it on his person? The average "competent" person wouldn't had touched it without a full biohazard suit, and if the post office thought it was a
biological weapon, they would have contacted federal authorities not the redneck Pulaski County Sheriff's Department. At this point in time, I was under arrest, so I answered all their questions honestly. They asked if i had more
of the syringes in my apartment. I told them yes. This in no way gives them permission to enter my home, and since the arrest itself was illegal anything I said isnt admisable in court. (Well in Pulaski it is because the cops make
their own rules, and ignore all constitutional rights of their suspects) The head officer then said "As long as they arent "magic mushroom" spores then we wont have a problem. (Magic mushroom spores are LEGAL to obtain and possess in Missouri)
He then asked what kind of mushroom spores where in the syringe he held. I told him Agaricus. At the time I honestly didnt know, because I didnt know which package they had which was opened. (If mail is turned over to Law enforcement officials they must obtain a warrant
to search or inspect the contents correct?) He asked if he could see the other syringes i had received in the past. I said "Yes, I can show them to you". They then uncuffed me and my father and lead us back into my apartment. I NEVER said they could come inside,
I stated that I would show them my other LEGAL syringes, I had meant I would get them and show them to him, however I was under arrest and felt that I had no choice but to comply. While I was inside my apartment at this point, I felt that I was being detained
and did NOT have the right to leave or ask them to leave. There was an officer standing next to my bed which is right in front of my back sliding glass door, and an officer standing in my front doorway. I hadnt been read my rights at this point either, but I
had been questioned many times by two officers.

also they questioned me with incriminating questions BEFORE and after they read me my rights. (look up Missouri v. Seibert [ happened in 2004]) it states police cant use the tactic of question a person in custody without reading Miranda rights in an attempt to get an admission of guilt or confession then requestion you again after reading you your rights, and they DID question me again after reading my rights!! (they asked if i had ever grown psilo mushrooms before and i answered "yes i attempted before but failed", then after reading my rights they asked me various questions on how i attempted to grow them and various questions about mushroom cultivation in general )

please any helpful advice is GREATLY appreciated.
 
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CdwJava

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BeGone said:
if the arrest u in the hallway, then question you as to where the other packages u have received in the last few days are at and u say inside and they as if they can see them and you say yes while handcuffed and NOT having my Miranda rights read to me, can that "consent" be used in court?
I see it as a coin toss. they didn't ask you where the illegal drugs were (an incriminating statement) only where packages you received recently were. It MIGHT be seen by a court as a Miranda violation, but I think not.

Without knowing the status of Miranda law in your state and local court, it would be hard to say.

- Carl
 

Kane

Member
I still think that anything seized from your apt was illegally obtained. The police may have thought they were evading the warrant requirement by opening your door, but not actually entering your apt. I don't think a judge would see it that way. I suspect that the court will say that you were illegally seized, and any evidence obtained as a result of that seizure will have to be suppressed.

On a side note, you really ought to stop messing around with hallucinogens. If not for legal reasons, then for your psychological health.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
if the post office thought it was a biological weapon, they would have contacted federal authorities not the redneck Pulaski County Sheriff's Department.
Actually, their protocol has been to FIRST contact local law enforcement. Local law enforcement then has the option of calling in the feds or not.

And my agency has gotten such calls from the Post Office.

- Carl
 

BeGone

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well, the POST OFFICE didnt call the police. my landlord/office worker did. she called and then also turned over my UNOPENED mail. i believe that isnt legal, because the other mail shouldnt have been suspected just cuz it also had my address.
 

BeGone

Junior Member
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also, am i allowed to get a copy of the police report, even if i'm not being charged at the time?
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
BeGone said:
well, the POST OFFICE didnt call the police. my landlord/office worker did. she called and then also turned over my UNOPENED mail. i believe that isnt legal, because the other mail shouldnt have been suspected just cuz it also had my address.

what!?!?! why, are you saying like the mailroom in your building?
 
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