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What is the name of your state? wondering what to do.........

i went awol on the 20th of May......i completed basic trainin but skipped out before i started AIT, i want out of this. i made a bad decision personally, this is not for me, i wanna be a civilian again. is there anyway i can get a discharge without going into confinement or even without going back to a base of any sort? i'll take a dishonorable discharge at this point, i dont care, just want out..................
 


Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
runnin4freedom said:
What is the name of your state? wondering what to do.........

i went awol on the 20th of May......i completed basic trainin but skipped out before i started AIT, i want out of this. i made a bad decision personally, this is not for me, i wanna be a civilian again. is there anyway i can get a discharge without going into confinement or even without going back to a base of any sort? i'll take a dishonorable discharge at this point, i dont care, just want out..................


You really should care if you get a Dishonerable on any level, it will be on your federal background.

You need to turn yourself in NOW, or it will only get worse for you.
 
i want to turn myself in, but i dont want to go back to that hellish base reffered to as Sill. Yet i fear that is where i will ultimately end up. is there anyway out without haveing to go back there?
 

DeeLove67

Junior Member
Call this #

State: PA
You need to visit this website http://girights.objector.org/ and call the hotline 800-394-8544 TODAY...they will help you. I am dealing with a similar situation. Which branch of the military are you awol from? This makes a big difference. If it's army...I can tell you what the GI Rights Hotline told me. They will NOT come looking for you. Wait until you are dropped from the rolls and only THEN turn yourself in to Fort Sill, OK. You will be discharged under "other than honorable." This is NOT dishonorable but it is the equivelant of being fired from a job.
 

badapple40

Senior Member
Here's the deal junior:

You can go back now, and will probably receive a company or field grade Article 15, serve out your time, and leave the military with probably an honorable or possibly a general under honorable conditions discharge.

Or you can wait until 31 days have elapsed and turn yourself in then. The AWOL charge is aggravated by the prolonged absense and you will receive either an entry level administrative separation, a Chapter 10 with a other-than-honorable characterization, or a special court-martial with a bad conduct discharge and, at the going rate, 30 days of jail time.

You will have to return to Ft. Sill. And, let me also emphasize that if you do not go back, a warrant for your arrest will be issued and you are likely to make the situation much, much worse in the long run.
 

badapple40

Senior Member
DeeLove67 said:
State: PA
You need to visit this website http://girights.objector.org/ and call the hotline 800-394-8544 TODAY...they will help you. I am dealing with a similar situation. Which branch of the military are you awol from? This makes a big difference. If it's army...I can tell you what the GI Rights Hotline told me. They will NOT come looking for you. Wait until you are dropped from the rolls and only THEN turn yourself in to Fort Sill, OK. You will be discharged under "other than honorable." This is NOT dishonorable but it is the equivelant of being fired from a job.

Since he said he was going back to sill, I presumed he is army.

They generally drop from rolls (DFR) at day 31 (some units don't do it at all due to oversight), but in any event, the DFR is after 30 days of AWOL. While they will not come looking for you (other than a letter to your parents), they WILL put a warrant out for you at the provost marshall's office and if you are pulled over (say, for a traffic stop), you come up as having a warrant out for your arrest.

And Other than Honorable has SERIOUS implications in that you can generally never re-enlist (in any branch), disqualifies you from most federal jobs, and also results in the loss of virtually all veterans benefits. Also, the Other-than-honorable is not guaranteed. I don't care what GI Rights says. While the administrative discharge/chapter 10 is generally what happens, you ARE committing criminal activity and can be court-martialed for it. That does not mean you will be -- just means you can be.
 

lvn4ever

Member
awol need direction

Your BEST advice is advice from BADAPPLE. He is a military attorney and gives solid advice, no preaching. Beginning about 7 months ago, a formerly close friend went AWOL from Benning after completing AIT and recycling Airborne several times. BADAPPLE gave THE most accurate counsel of all. I did mountains of research independantly and made dozens of phone calls and can add very little to his bottom line.

--If everything goes according to SOP, a warrant will be issued for your arrest at approx. 31 days. No one will come looking for you. Simply, you will live your life looking over your shoulder because your SSN WILL EVENTUALLY pop hot on a routine traffic stop etc. To whit, there was a posting here about a man AWOL for many years who married, started a family, found employment AND then had a traffic stop. The poster was asking for advice for his friend, the former soldier, who was sitting in a county jail...waiting for military authorities to pick him up. This would be a less than desirable complication to explain to wife, employer, friends, family.

--If you turn yourself in prior to 30 days, the chances of minimizing the situation are much greater. "Our" soldier was at Benning and their JAG office records a wide scope of punishments for AWOL, generally with much harsher punishments for longer absences. A significant number of soldiers gone more than 30 days served in confinement. Please be advised, and BADAPPLE can clarify this, that WORST CASE ( and Benning DID have some worst case scenerios) if you are convicted in a certain type of Courts Martial proceeding, then it is a FELONY charge, which can mean revocation of your civil rights, like voting. That is a whole lot to give up....

--While it is TRUE that many AWOL soldiers recieve OTHER THAN HONORABLE discharges rather than DISHONORABLE ones, both are significant and who gets what seems to have an element of "the luck of the draw." Another point made by a regretful AWOL/OTH discharge was that when an employer finds out that you received something other than an honorable discharge, they lose interest. To most people, there really isn't a difference between OTHER than Honorable and DIShonorable. One blog I read recommended lieing about your discharge...all I can say is that the truth usually comes out and think about what your employer would think of a person who not only received a other than honorable discharge, but also was a liar.

So, please, as BADAPPLE has said, it is in your best interest to GO back immediately. The guy for which we were doing research turned himself in, way too late, got an OTH, has no access to any benefits, owes the military a bunch of money and has severely limited his future options. He is currently without higher education or access to the great ed. benefits of the military, no health or dental insurance, no marketable skills and, at 22 is pursuing a "career" as a busboy.

Besides all of the legal repurcussions, I have read MANY very moving accounts by people somewhat older than you ( I assume) who went AWOL and received OTH discharges in years gone by and say that the stigma haunts them daily......

Hope this helps.
 

lvn4ever

Member
running4freedom

Pertaining to this comment:
You need to visit this website http://girights.objector.org/ and call the hotline 800-394-8544 TODAY...they will help you. I am dealing with a similar situation. Which branch of the military are you awol from? This makes a big difference. If it's army...I can tell you what the GI Rights Hotline told me. They will NOT come looking for you. Wait until you are dropped from the rolls and only THEN turn yourself in to Fort Sill, OK. You will be discharged under "other than honorable." This is NOT dishonorable but it is the equivelant of being fired from a job.

In desperation, we called the GIRIGHTSHOTLINE. They were very kind and comforting but not entirely accurate. Think about it..and perspective DOES matter...if you were an employer or the father of a young woman being introduced to the man she wanted to marry, what would you think of a man who "was fired" (found unsuitable for, inadequate, unable to perform...you fill in the blank as someone in their shoes might) from an entry level job that had required the taking of a personal and solemn oath---one that involved the swearing of faithful performance of the job etc?
As I stated before OTH is technically different from DISHONORABLE, but only by a little and in the mind of employer or someone else who is looking for the very best for their family, company etc, there might not be any difference.
 
thank you all for the information, i greatly greatly appreciate it. if i turn myself in before the 31 days will i simply be givein an article15 and sent on my way to AIT, or could i be givein a discharge? i'm gonna turn myself in, but if i cant get a discharge before 31 days i'll wait till my 31st day.
 

lvn4ever

Member
running

From all the questions I asked of JAG/ commanders/ civilian lawyers/ MPs/ GI rights advisor types/ etc etc etc ad nauseum during our debacle.... the consensus was that THERE ARE NO GUARENTEES of what will happen, less than 30 days, more than 30 days. Anecdotally, I can recount stories of this soldier who was active duty for 5 weeks, AWOL for 2 and given OTH. The next information I read was of someone with the same time in/AWOL and that person was given Art 15 and "re-habilitated" for continued service....still another with similiar background went through a courts martial and received a dishonorable and confinement! As a JAG officer at Benning patiently explained to me, there are guidelines but there is quite a bit of latitude within those guidelines. The only thing that was consistent was that the longer you are gone, the more likely it would be to receive a harsher judgement.
There is no silver bullet on this. It is case by case. I DO totally agree with BADAPPLE that even though you have now decided that this isn't for you, you certainly carefully thought this out prior to swearing in, then you DID give your word, and took an oath. NOt everything in life is easy. Usually the hardest things build the most character.

Hope it goes well for you
 

badapple40

Senior Member
You've been apprised of the risks, you've been told what can happen, and at this point the choice is up to you. I'd love to sit here and tell you that it'll all be ok, but the bottom line is, if you want to be out so badly that you are willing to risk 2 years in leavenworth, a federal felony conviction, and the rest of your life effectively ruined, there is nothing I can do or say to stop you.
 
thank you all for the advice and information, it has been most helpfull. i appreciate your insight and honesty badapple, its nice to know there is still good honest people in the world. its been a pleasure, and tomorrow morning i will turn myself in, so i must say farewell. thank you all, godbless.
 
nah nevermind

nah ya know what, forget that. im not turnin myself in, even tho they did call my house the other day, strangely enough. if they wanna find me, it wont b hard. i go to work, come home and be a father, day in and day out. same routine, this is what ive wanted all along, so i have no reason to leave it. forget sill, forget barwick, forget Ali, forget it all :)
 

Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
runnin4freedom said:
nah ya know what, forget that. im not turnin myself in, even tho they did call my house the other day, strangely enough. if they wanna find me, it wont b hard. i go to work, come home and be a father, day in and day out. same routine, this is what ive wanted all along, so i have no reason to leave it. forget sill, forget barwick, forget Ali, forget it all :)

Thank you for wasting our time on you. You have been told the consequences, so you will be prepared for what will happen.

PS.

When you read my last comment to you, REALIZE! You could never say to me that "I have no idea".

That being said,.......You are a coward. Your children will grow up. They will learn of your AWOL, they will suffer the consequences of it. That in it's self will be your legacy with your children.

(You need to spell before you can help your kids with their home work).
 
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