Lethal dose of insulin

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[janedoe23]

You people are such a disgrace!!! Every thread has to turn into who has more knowledge bashing thread. Get over yourselves!!!! Lea Lea you just joined so who are you to be bugging someone of their credentials? Do you think you are better then anyone else here? I know trying to be accepted in the bashing crowd eh? And Shay can you for once make a post that is helpful instead of jumping in the middle of the bashing trying to put your worthless .02 cents in?

BTW Butterscotch you don't have to prove yourself to anyone! They are just trying to find the littliest thing on you so they can say to the forum "See I told you so!"

 

[panzertanker]

You people are such a disgrace!!! Every thread has to turn into who has more knowledge bashing thread. Get over yourselves!!!! Lea Lea you just joined so who are you to be bugging someone of their credentials? Do you think you are better then anyone else here? I know trying to be accepted in the bashing crowd eh? And Shay can you for once make a post that is helpful instead of jumping in the middle of the bashing trying to put your worthless .02 cents in?

BTW Butterscotch you don't have to prove yourself to anyone! They are just trying to find the littliest thing on you so they can say to the forum "See I told you so!"

Just to point out:
YOU now jumped into this thread, and bashed people. The EXACT thing you are accusing others of doing...

 

[butterscotch]

Just to point out:
YOU now jumped into this thread, and bashed people. The EXACT thing you are accusing others of doing...

I don't think so panze, nice try. I'm sure she realizes the attraction to the "blood". The bonus is the rise in the number of posts. As it may indicate the importance to the site.

Shay has no knowledge. She goes to other legal forum websites to ask questions that are presented here and makes statements like: my friends and I want to know.

The bashing is fun. They love it. They post PM's and laugh and laugh. It is a joke- they refer to OP as trailer trash.

They are jokes. They are not real people. They have no legal advice.

Thanks, Janedoe

I agree. I see them. I know what they have posted. The website administrator is responsible for the website. Let's see what happens.

 

[janedoe23]

Just to point out:
YOU now jumped into this thread, and bashed people. The EXACT thing you are accusing others of doing...

No no no! See the difference is what I said is the truth and what you and your friend Shay say is nothing but BS. Your dangerous to your "patients" as well because I have seen numerous times where you gave bad advice and EC has to come by and clean your mess up. Get over yourself already!! Unless it's your advice then everyone else is wrong. Now quite ruining threads by blubbering and showing who has the most chest hair. Afterall, you do have to go back to playing doctor don't ya?

 

[Gevalia]

2 units vs. 20 cc's

OP: from my experience, I think you may have misunderstood the vet’s instructions.

My fifteen year old, ten pound cat has diabetes for which we administer two units of insulin twice a day, using 3/10 cc syringes. The box states it is for U-100 insulin. One syringe = 30 units, and 100 units = 1 cc. I can’t imagine any cat being prescribed 20 cc’s.

I have never heard of there being different “degrees” of diabetes (other than Type 1 and Type 2) but I am not a medical professional, so I will leave it to RMet, Panzer, or someone else more knowledgeable than I to acknowledge whether 20 cc’s, considering my cat’s dosage, seems like an extremely unlikely prescription.

Also, we use Humulin-U (sp) insulin. I don’t know what the difference is between that and U40.

The only facts I have are that my cat has diabetes, we use Humulin-U, and he gets 2 units BID so my ignorance outweighs my knowledge concerning feline diabetes, but I seem to be the only other one with a diabetic cat and wanted to offer this for consideration.

 

[Veronica1228]

OP: from my experience, I think you may have misunderstood the vet’s instructions.

My fifteen year old, ten pound cat has diabetes for which we administer two units of insulin twice a day, using 3/10 cc syringes. The box states it is for U-100 insulin. One syringe = 30 units, and 100 units = 1 cc. I can’t imagine any cat being prescribed 20 cc’s.

I have never heard of there being different “degrees” of diabetes (other than Type 1 and Type 2) but I am not a medical professional, so I will leave it to RMet, Panzer, or someone else more knowledgeable than I to acknowledge whether 20 cc’s, considering my cat’s dosage, seems like an extremely unlikely prescription.

Also, we use Humulin-U (sp) insulin. I don’t know what the difference is between that and U40.

The only facts I have are that my cat has diabetes, we use Humulin-U, and he gets 2 units BID so my ignorance outweighs my knowledge concerning feline diabetes, but I seem to be the only other one with a diabetic cat and wanted to offer this for consideration.

I know nothing about feline diabetes, but in humans a person checks their blood-sugar before even administering an insulin shot. Is it not the same for animals?

 

[weenor]

They have no legal advice.

Neither do you. Whatever your perceived medical expertise, this is a legal cite...so if you can't offer legal advice, back off.

 

[Gevalia]

I know nothing about feline diabetes, but in humans a person checks their blood-sugar before even administering an insulin shot. Is it not the same for animals?

No. After the initial blood work and diagnosis, that's it--the same dosage, twice a day. It's my understanding that human diabetes and feline diabetes isn't the same disease. In fact, a cat's body can actually cure itself of diabetes. For that reason, it may be worth it to re-test after a while (I think it's called a "blood curve").

 

[Job_Hunting]

Alrighty, to anyone who's interested, here are the facts after corresponding with the vet today.

The vet gave me u-100 insuline syringes (right here on the wrapper in front of me), and demonstrated on my cat how to give the injection using fluids. The syringe was about 1/4 full. The insulin I was given was U40, which it turns out is somewhat irrelevent anyway.

He gave me verbal instructions which I now know where TWO units. That is all he said. When we opened the syringe (my husband and I), I told him 2 units. The syringe is marked by 10, 20 30, 40 and 50 and the wrapper said 1/2 cc. He loaded the syringe to 20, and we both agreed that 20 must be the same as 2 in this U100 syringe with U40 insuline, as it appearred to be such a small dose and comparable to the amount of fluid he loaded for demonstration. My god, You can't even SEE the two marker in the syringe. How could I possibly have known without any experience with this.

Clearly there is no legal issue here. He told me units, I misunderstood. Was he negligent with his instructions? Yes, and no one will make me believe otherwise. He should have been more clear. It's too late now.

You all can bash me now, I'm the stupid OP who killed my cat.

 

[Gevalia]

You all can bash me now, I'm the stupid OP who killed my cat.

Job Hunting, when mine was first diagnosed, my vet had me give one of her donor cats glucose (or something) in front of her to make sure I understood her instructions. I almost did the exact same thing you did.

Even though I suspected you misunderstood your vet's instructions, I absolutely believe that he was less than clear. I know that an unfortunate number of vets should have conveyor belts instead of exam rooms.

My vet made sure I knew what to do before I left. Yours didn't. Actionable? No, I guess not. But please don't burden your heart with guilt. I know how you must feel, and I'm really sorry if my post sounded accusatory or contributed to your grief.

 

[Job_Hunting]

Gevalia,

Oh my goodness, no. No one's posts were offensive in anyway, definitely not yours. (To me anyway, haha...I've seen the fight going on here).

You all have been wonderful. Well I'm certainly wiser now because of this, but I will always have that guilt. I was too ignorant at the time to force the vet to be more clear. I had no idea of the consequences. Well, now I do. Quite the lesson, eh?

Thanks for taking the time to respond--

 

[Gevalia]

You're welcome, and let me say one more thing on this subject to anyone with a pet before I get run out of here for being all touchy-feely.

When your animal is given any injection, always examine the bottle yourself to make sure it hasn't expired. A lot of the too-busy vets are also lax in taking proper inventories, and my darling kitty died from Feline Leukemia because of that.

Also, don't let any vet talk you into declawing until you've done your own research and learned about the problems that can cause for their feet and even a large part of their skeletel structure. I learned that the hard way, also.

My apologies to the "This isn't Dr. Phil" contingent (with whom I happen to agree) but I decided saying this was worth being chastised, so bring it on if you must.

 

[butterscotch]

Gevalia,

Oh my goodness, no. No one's posts were offensive in anyway, definitely not yours. (To me anyway, haha...I've seen the fight going on here).

You all have been wonderful. Well I'm certainly wiser now because of this, but I will always have that guilt. I was too ignorant at the time to force the vet to be more clear. I had no idea of the consequences. Well, now I do. Quite the lesson, eh?

Thanks for taking the time to respond--

I encourage you to stop blaming yourself. All the confusion has nothing to do with you. Your cat had diseased pancrease. As Gevalia said it is very small amount of insulin and it is based on a guess of the daily blood sugars for her cat. I am guessing that she doesn't draw daily blood sugars.

The point I am trying to make is not my knowledge as a nurse but as a cat owner. I have been giving my cat subq IV fluids every two days since January. I try to gauge this on her skin turgor which is difficult on a long haired cat. You did very well. Most people would never attempt to give their cat injections. You did. Because you wanted your cat to be with you.

 

[Gevalia]

<QUOTE=butterscotch>As Gevalia said it is very small amount of insulin and it is based on a guess of the daily blood sugars for her cat. I am guessing that she doesn't draw daily blood sugars.</QUOTE=butterscotch>

It's not based on a guess of daily blood sugar, because daily blood sugar is irrelevent and unmonitored. It is a precise dosage indicated by the initial diagnosis. The most important criterion is weight. Feline Diabetes is not the same as human, or even canine diabetes. The only further blood tests suggested are, perhaps, future blood curves to see if the diabetes has cured itself.