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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Indiana

Last night I called my daughter like I do most evenings around 7:00. I knew something was wrong when she came to the phone. She was crying. Her dad told her that she has to limit all phone calls to me to 5 minutes. I know some wil say his house, his rules, but isn't that interfering with our communication? Several months ago he limited calls to 15 minutes. I was upset that he felt the need to limit our calls, but they had only exceeded 15 minutes on 1 occassion. I think that 5 minutes is irrational. Is that legal?

Any ideas?
 


Our daughter is 8, almost 9, and our CO does not address phone calls. We follow the IPTG, and it says that parents should not interfere with each other's rights to communicate with a child by phone, email, mail, etc. It also states that phone calls should be of resonable duration.

The time limit was stressing our daughter when it was 15 minutes. Now that dad made it 5 she is really upset.
 

penelope10

Senior Member
In the past has the ex been sort of a "controlling" individual? Or have there been instances between the two of you that have caused rancor? How do you treat phone calls from him when he calls your home? In other words, when Dad calls kiddo at your home, does kiddo take the calls? Does she act like she enjoys talking to Dad on the phone when she gets calls from him, or does she get off the phone ASAP?

Another thing to think about are how does the kiddo use the phone at his home? Does she abuse phone privileges while there? (Spends family time talking to her buds rather than participating in family activities?)

Personally, I don't limit the time my kiddo spends with the ex on the phone. What would irritate me would be if Dad was a "helicopter" parent. (Multiple, multiple phone calls during the day, evening, or night that might interrupt a routine set up at my house). Please note I am not implying that this is what is going on in your situation, just stating what would "bug" me regarding calls.

I think what I would attempt to do is talk with Dad in regards to this in as calm as fashion as possible. And if you guys can't communicate well via the phone, then send Dad an email. If this is indeed a "tit for tat" situation (and I'm NOT saying that it is) perhaps taking a fair look at how phone calls are handled at your home from Dad may help a lot. Making a few "adjustments" oneself can often make a situation a lot better.

I pulled up the old thread you had regarding this. One person suggested that you not make a big deal about this with kiddo. I tend to agree. Sounds like this area is causing her stress if she cries when you call. (Despite whatever parent is being reasonable or unreasonable in their expectations regarding the phone). Tell her you love her when you call, make the five minutes as pleasurable and reassuring as you can for her, and then talk to Dad at a later time regarding this. (Privately either by phone or email when the kiddo isn't around).
 
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TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Does your daughter have access to email? That has help tremendously with my communications with my daughter when she is at her dad's.
 
In the past has the ex been sort of a "controlling" individual? Or have there been instances between the two of you that have caused rancor? How do you treat phone calls from him when he calls your home? In other words, when Dad calls kiddo at your home, does kiddo take the calls? Does she act like she enjoys talking to Dad on the phone when she gets calls from him, or does she get off the phone ASAP?
Another thing to think about are how does the kiddo use the phone at his home? Does she abuse phone privileges while there? (Spends family time talking to her buds rather than participating in family activities?)
Personally, I don't limit the time my kiddo spends with the ex on the phone. What would irritate me would be if Dad was a "helicopter" parent. (Multiple, multiple phone calls during the day, evening, or night that might interrupt a routine set up at my house). Please note I am not implying that this is what is going on in your situation, just stating what would "bug" me regarding calls.

I think what I would attempt to do is talk with Dad in regards to this in as calm as fashion as possible. And if you guys can't communicate well via the phone, then send Dad an email. If this is indeed a "tit for tat" situation (and I'm NOT saying that it is) perhaps taking a fair look at how phone calls are handled at your home from Dad may help a lot. Making a few "adjustments" oneself can often make a situation a lot better.

I pulled up the old thread you had regarding this. One person suggested that you not make a big deal about this with kiddo. I tend to agree. Sounds like this area is causing her stress if she cries when you call. (Despite whatever parent is being reasonable or unreasonable in their expectations regarding the phone). Tell her you love her when you call, make the five minutes as pleasurable and reassuring as you can for her, and then talk to Dad at a later time regarding this. (Privately either by phone or email when the kiddo isn't around).

Dad is a control freak. Our daughter is not allowed to call anyone from his house. He does not even allow her to give friends her phone number. I taught her his phone number although he didn't want me to. He said it was none of her business. I said she lives there, and is his daughter, so it is her business!

Her dad rarely calls her at my house, adn when he does I always get her for him. There are no time limits, and she just sits there and barely talks to him. She talks to her stebbrother, halfsister, and stepmom on the phone. I let my mom talk to her once when I called her and her dad yelled at her. He does not allow her to have any phone calls from anyone else, no Aunts, Uncles, Grandma, Great Grandma, cousins... NO ONE is allowed to call her according to him, and he actually says that is they call.

I do not call her more than once in a day except once when she was coming to my house the next day. I had forgotten to tell her something, so I called her to remind her to bring her gym shoes for school after we had spoken. I told her dad when he answered the phone that I had forgotten to remind her. I have her put them in her backpack while we are talking, so I know she does it. I do my best to put the time limit out of her mind, and I watch the minutes on the clock go by. I listen to her talk about her day. I tell her I love her, and that we'll talk again te next day.


Does your daughter have access to email? That has help tremendously with my communications with my daughter when she is at her dad's.

Dad does not allow access to email. He will not set up a child safe account for her on his computer. We're talking about a man who won't allow his child to use the phone! I sent a picture of my sister's baby to my daughter via dad's email when I knew that it would be a week before she got to see the baby, and dad blew up. He's gotta be in control or everyone and everything is wrong!
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Indiana

Last night I called my daughter like I do most evenings around 7:00. I knew something was wrong when she came to the phone. She was crying. Her dad told her that she has to limit all phone calls to me to 5 minutes. I know some wil say his house, his rules, but isn't that interfering with our communication? Several months ago he limited calls to 15 minutes. I was upset that he felt the need to limit our calls, but they had only exceeded 15 minutes on 1 occassion. I think that 5 minutes is irrational. Is that legal?

Any ideas?

**A: it is perfectly legal for you to buy and pay for a cell phone for her. An Iphone may be nice.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
She needs to get this address as part of a court order. If dad is as controlling as he sounds, he'll confiscate the phone.

As for the control part, he is unreasonably insecure in himself. He must cage all around him cuz otherwise they might leave.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
Why are you calling her every day? And why do you assume DD is upset with Dad's limitations vs. your calling and interrupting her time there? And, don't ask her -- she may well feel like she has to protect your feelings which isn't a fair position to put her in.

I have 2 9yo's and I think it's unfair to call them every day when they are with their dad. They should be allowed to go with his flow when they are with him and not be tethered back to the mother ship. If they are with him for a weekend, I won't call. If they were with him 4 or 5 days, I may call once.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Wiley, it depends on various relationships. In this case, she is the NCP and they want to talk to each other. I know of various people here on the forum who have it in their decree that they can talk daily.

If dad has been very limiting on access, they you take what you can get.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
Why are you calling her every day? And why do you assume DD is upset with Dad's limitations vs. your calling and interrupting her time there? And, don't ask her -- she may well feel like she has to protect your feelings which isn't a fair position to put her in.

I have 2 9yo's and I think it's unfair to call them every day when they are with their dad. They should be allowed to go with his flow when they are with him and not be tethered back to the mother ship. If they are with him for a weekend, I won't call. If they were with him 4 or 5 days, I may call once.

Cosign... When The Child is spending time at my parents' house for a week, I may call once or twice. I call to make sure they've picked her up at the school on Fridays if that's the plan, but other than that, it's unusual for me to call her over a weekend.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
She needs to get this address as part of a court order. If dad is as controlling as he sounds, he'll confiscate the phone.

As for the control part, he is unreasonably insecure in himself. He must cage all around him cuz otherwise they might leave.

I agree...however there is a small chance that this has something to do with "minutes" if dad doesn't have a land line...or even that he is just a control freak about the usage of his "minutes".
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
My heart is breaking for this kid. So unhappy at dad's house that her daily call from mom could be what gets her through the day. Or maybe it's just her routine. But dad sounds controlling to the point of scary and you need to get the courts to protect her.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
My heart is breaking for this kid. So unhappy at dad's house that her daily call from mom could be what gets her through the day. Or maybe it's just her routine. But dad sounds controlling to the point of scary and you need to get the courts to protect her.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
Wiley, it depends on various relationships. In this case, she is the NCP and they want to talk to each other. I know of various people here on the forum who have it in their decree that they can talk daily.

If dad has been very limiting on access, they you take what you can get.
Sorry, I missed that she's the NCP. I do not agree, though, that we know the child wants to talk to Mom daily. I think a good way to know is to leave it up to the child (unless the parent has something pressing that truly can't wait), but both parents would have to truly leave it up to the child, not give orders to "check in" or orders to "stay off the phone".

Dad's an ass for limiting contact to the NCP to only 5 minutes. The only way to change it is to ask and if asking doesn't work, file a motion in court.
 

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