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What is the name of your state? Mine is PA but this is for CA

Someone I know in CA lives in an apartment complex and has lived there for 5 years. She lives on the top floor. Each unit has an outside door to their apartment. The top floor units have steps that they walk up and then they walk to their unit, kind of like a hotel/motel situation. She became ill and is now disabled in the fact that walking up the 16 steps to get to her unit is extremely painful for her. He disability is permanent. She could move to the bottom floor but the new prices for a new tenant is $250 more a month so if she switches she would have to pay the new rate and can't afford it. Can she request that the landlord make a ramp to her apartment?
 


seniorjudge

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sunshinee50 said:
What is the name of your state? Mine is PA but this is for CA

Someone I know in CA lives in an apartment complex and has lived there for 5 years. She lives on the top floor. Each unit has an outside door to their apartment. The top floor units have steps that they walk up and then they walk to their unit, kind of like a hotel/motel situation. She became ill and is now disabled in the fact that walking up the 16 steps to get to her unit is extremely painful for her. He disability is permanent. She could move to the bottom floor but the new prices for a new tenant is $250 more a month so if she switches she would have to pay the new rate and can't afford it. Can she request that the landlord make a ramp to her apartment?
Q: Can she request that the landlord make a ramp to her apartment?

A: Yes; this may come under ADA. Stand by to see if there are any folks here who are experts on crippled people's law.
 
Thank you for your response, however, please don't refer to them as crippled people. They are handicapped and don't like to be called cripples. My ex became paralyzed 2 years after we were married and I went through 6 years of hell with him and trying to get establishements to make their places accessible. We needed an apartment that was accessible for a 6 month period while our house was being built and had a terrible time finding one. I myself am about to embark on this journey as I have a condition that will eventually put me in a wheelchair. I wouldn't want someone calling me a cripple. We are handicapped. Not being mean or defensive, just relating information.
 

JETX

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sunshinee50 said:
Can she request that the landlord make a ramp to her apartment?
She can REQUEST anything that she wants. As to whether they are REQUIRED to provide one and who pays.... will likely be up to her local assistance agency. She should contact them and ask what accomodations are required.
 

seniorjudge

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sunshinee50 said:
Thank you for your response, however, please don't refer to them as crippled people. They are handicapped and don't like to be called cripples. My ex became paralyzed 2 years after we were married and I went through 6 years of hell with him and trying to get establishements to make their places accessible. We needed an apartment that was accessible for a 6 month period while our house was being built and had a terrible time finding one. I myself am about to embark on this journey as I have a condition that will eventually put me in a wheelchair. I wouldn't want someone calling me a cripple. We are handicapped. Not being mean or defensive, just relating information.
http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/C200-299/2010000090.HTM

http://www.firefighterscalendar.org/default2.htm

http://www.mercercountycivicfdn.org/scholarship.htm

"Crippled" is not an offensive term....
 

HomeGuru

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JETX said:
She can REQUEST anything that she wants. As to whether they are REQUIRED to provide one and who pays.... will likely be up to her local assistance agency. She should contact them and ask what accomodations are required.


**A: I agree as the cost may be a hardship to the landlord.
 

seniorjudge

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HappyHusband said:
Please do not call them disabled or handicapped. They are handi-capable.
Is there a subscription to the politically correct info for the day?

I can't keep up with all this.
 

JETX

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What do they call a handicapped person playing baseball??
Second base! :D

I know.... "Captain, all shields are at 100% and fully operational" :D
 
OKAY, OKAY, I get the point. :D JETX, what you said was offensive. Shame on you! Senior, I don't know where you found these sites, I did go to them and all of them were referring to the Crippled Children's Fund. This fund has been around for many years and has gone by that name all those years. It is the name they registered under. A name of a business or charity group is not used as the general name given to a group of individuals with a disability. Handicapped or Disabled are the terms that are acceptable when referring to anyone with a disability. The person I am referring to is not disabled via the legs as she is not in a wheelchair, but her entire body is affected. She has Fibromyalgia as so do I. I am not a cripple, I have a disability. I will have her check with her local ordinances. Thanks for the help.
 

JETX

Senior Member
sunshinee50 said:
Handicapped or Disabled are the terms that are acceptable when referring to anyone with a disability.
Who says that is the case??
Where is there some kind of 'political correctness' law that stipulates what groups of people are to be called?
Can you provide a link to it??

Of course not. This is just another of those 'politically correct' issues that everyone tiptoes around.... afraid that they might insult one group or another. Personally, I am all for calling a spade a spade.... My personal rights are to call people as I see them. If they don't like it.... they can either let me know... or try to beat the crap out of me. :D

No one likes to be called what they are..... another reason why garbagemen are now called 'sanitation engineer', or housewifes are 'domestic administrators', or a Cannibal is called an 'intra-species Diner'.
For more politically correct terms... go to: http://www.pcphrases.com/

And how stupid this whole issue of PC is.... go to: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp
 

seniorjudge

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These people had a good excuse...they are Californians!



Claim: The County of Los Angeles has requested that equipment vendors avoid using the industry term "Master/Slave" in product descriptions and labeling.

Status: True.

Origins: Social changes of our era have been accompanied by linguistic changes: as discrimination based upon race, gender, or physical condition has become less socially acceptable, we began to frown upon the use of pejorative terms associated with race, moved towards more gender-neutral usages of language (e.g., 'chairperson' instead of 'chairman'), and replaced terms for describing the disabled with less stigmatizing ones (e.g., 'mentally handicapped' rather than 'retarded').

Along with these linguistic changes have come tales of the "political correctness run amok" variety — cases where certain usages were Master/Slave deemed unacceptable merely because they bore a resemblance to terms now considered inappropriate, even though the usages had little or nothing in common with the now-inappropriate terms in a linguistic sense. For example, we've read of the 1999 incident in which a mayoral aide (temporarily) lost his job for using the word 'niggardly' in a staff meeting, even though the word's origins have nothing to do with race, and even though the aide used the word correctly (to mean 'miserly' or 'stingy'). Or we've heard the (possibly apocryphal) tale of a writer who was informed by his editor that his use of the hunting term 'duck blind' was unacceptable, as the preferred substitute for the latter word is now 'visually impaired.'

How far we should take this linguistic sensitivity to social issues has long been a subject of (often heated) debate. Can female members of the fire department be referred to by the traditional title of 'fireman,' or does true gender equality require that they be identified as 'firewomen'? Is the existence of separate gender words for the same concept itself a form of gender discrimination, requiring us to adopt a neutral term such as 'fireperson' for everyone? Or should we just chuck the whole thing and call everybody 'firefighters'? What one group sees as socially progressive, another group is bound to view as a needless discarding of the familiar and traditional.

Another example of this phenomenon surfaced recently in reference to 'master/slave,' a term commonly used in the electronic and mechanical devices to describe the unidirectional control of one device or process by another. Equipment vendors who do business with Los Angeles County received a message in November 2003 from the county's Internal Services Department (ISD) informing them that "based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County," labeling or describing equipment with the term 'master/slave' is no longer acceptable:

Subject: IDENTIFICATION OF EQUIPMENT SOLD TO LA COUNTY
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:21:16 -0800
From: "Los Angeles County"

The County of Los Angeles actively promotes and is committed to ensure a work environment that is free from any discriminatory influence be it actual or perceived. As such, it is the County's expectation that our manufacturers, suppliers and contractors make a concentrated effort to ensure that any equipment, supplies or services that are provided to County departments do not possess or portray an image that may be construed as offensive or defamatory in nature.

One such recent example included the manufacturer's labeling of equipment where the words "Master/Slave" appeared to identify the primary and secondary sources. Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label.

We would request that each manufacturer, supplier and contractor review, identify and remove/change any identification or labeling of equipment or components thereof that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive in nature before such equipment is sold or otherwise provided to any County department.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance.

Joe Sandoval, Division Manager
Purchasing and Contract Services
Internal Services Department
County of Los Angeles


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To verify that this wasn't a hoax or an internal joke which mistakenly escaped to the wider world of the Internet, we called the Purchasing and Contract Services division for the County of Los Angeles, and they informed us that yes, they did issue this message, and yes, it was meant seriously. In May 2003, a black employee of the county's Probation Department filed a discrimination complaint with the Office of Affirmative Action Compliance after spotting "master" and "slave" labels on a videotape machine, whereupon the Internal Services Department was obligated to issue notification requesting that vendors refrain from using the master/slave terminology.

Joe Sandoval, the Division Manager who issued the memo, told Reuters that his memo was intended as "nothing more than a request" and not an ultimatum or policy change:

"I do understand that this term has been an industry standard for years and years and this is nothing more than a plea to vendors to see what they can do," he said. "It appears that some folks have taken this a little too literally."

Sandoval said that he had already rejected a suggestion that the county stop buying all equipment carrying the "master" and "slave" labels and had no intention of enforcing a ban on such terms with suppliers.

"But we are culturally sensitive and we have 90,000 employees," he said. "We have to take these things seriously."

Whether this message reflects more a "socially progressive" change or one of the "needless discarding of the familiar and traditional" variety we couldn't say, but — much to the chagrin of several vendors who passed it along to us — the County of Los Angeles is apparently serious about it.

Last updated: 27 November 2003

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Associated Press. "'Master' and 'Slave' Labels on Electronic Equipment Raise Concern in Los Angeles County."
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BBC. "Offensive Jargon Comes Under Fire."
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Reuters. "'Master' and 'Slave' Computer Labels Unacceptable, Officials Say."
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This has gone way too far! Now I am going to get technical! I am not being "politically correct" in the request to not be called a cripple. I am not pulling words out of my hat to say that the disabled do not like this term. I lived with and took took care of a paralyzed man for 6 long grueling years and went to counseling, been involved with literally hundreds of nurses, doctors, surgeons, aides, home health practioners, support groups and the list goes on a mile and not one, NOT ONE, ever used the term cripple and it was pushed down our throats in every aspect of the transition from being a normal person (he became disabled at the age of 42) to being a disabled person that he was not without purpose. He was physically challenged, he was handicapped, he was disabled. The term crippled or cripple is defined as: "disabled in the feet or legs; "a crippled soldier"; "a game leg". Therefore the term cripple cannot apply to those who have no arms, who have health conditions that limit their ability to do what they used to do. Would you say that a person with severe heart disease is a cripple? No! They are a person who is hindered by a health condition. Therefore the term crippled was dropped a long time ago to replace it with a term that describes a larger group. To use or not to use a term that offends someone has nothing to do with whether it is politically correct, it has to do with not being rude or unkind. Terms used many years ago were thought of without the person's feelings in mind. It wasn't a person in a wheelchair that came up with that term I am sure. Now if you refer back to my original post I did say that she could walk, it was just extremely painful, so therefore by you using the term "crippled peoples law" which would suggest they are laws for only those who cannot walk and the actual definition, I would say that you don't know the true meaning of words and are hiding behind your defensiveness in order to get around the fact that your were WRONG! It is called the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990, which are the laws you are referring to. You refer others to links to get your point across. I don't have to, use your dictionary. It holds the definition of the English language. Sometimes people do go overboard with this "politically correct" stuff which is totally outrageous at times, but when it comes to people who have had their lives turned upside down because of an injury or health condition, be very careful how you approach them. Calling someone a cripple if they are in the beginning stages of their recovery could send them over the edge. They are still human beings with emotions and I don't think telling them to "get over it" will work either as I tried that route or telling them that it is just "a word" or that you are calling "a spade a spade" makes it okay for you to do it. Go into a rehab, look at a man who has just become paralyzed and say to him, "It is horrible that you are now a cripple" and I will guarantee that he will find the first heavy thing he can pick up and hurl it at your insensitive head.
 

JETX

Senior Member
Okay, we already KNEW your OPINION.... but I doubt you speak for all handicapped, handi-capable, physically challenged (or whatever term THEY want used).
So, get off your high horse!!!
 
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