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Mudhoney98

Junior Member
I'm a newbie here...but I still wanted to put in my two cents :) It sounds to me like Dad may be pursuing the school pick-up/drop-off because it avoids any contact with the ex (no offense Bethlam, but few of us like meeting with the ex) Maybe he's pushing the after school pick-up because it means he doesn't have to go to your house or some awkward meeting place. I think it is admirable that you are interested in their school work, but if Dad is with them it will have to be his responsibility. I suggest you keep a good rapport with teachers so you will know if school responsibilities start to slip. Or if you are still concerned about receiving certain paperwork/correspondence, speak to the teacher. You would be surprised how many teachers have to deal with divorced parents and special requests (although it should be within reason).

Altogether I know you heart is in the right place, but in the great scheme of things--it could be a lot worse. If this can be amicably worked out…great, but if not, this may not be worth the fight.

Also, I know a lot of posts have suggested that you overreacted and perhaps you did. But honestly, I would rather read a post about a mom who overreacted, rather than a post from a mom who under reacted. Good luck Betham.
 


BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
gabrat303 said:
People don't post legal questions to get bashed!!! They sincerely need help with a certain situation. They look to this post for legal advice not personal opinions. Sometimes that advice comes from people who have been in a similar situation, but to cast stones when we don't know either party personally???
Please keep your personal opinions to yourself
 

casa

Senior Member
Legally, if the court order doesn't address phone calls- then neither parent is obligated to make or receive them to or from the other parent. :rolleyes:

If phone calls are vitally important to one or the other parent- then that parent needs to file in court to modify the court order to include a set day/time for phone calls.
 
gabrat303 said:
People don't post legal questions to get bashed!!! They sincerely need help with a certain situation. They look to this post for legal advice not personal opinions. Sometimes that advice comes from people who have been in a similar situation, but to cast stones when we don't know either party personally???

I agree Gabrat but she is on a power struggle here. I think she needs to cut the man some slack. If I was mean to her, I didn't mean to be. I hate it when good parents are made out to be enemies - the father was just looking to spend some time with the child and he gets jumped all over -
yes, communication didn't happen - but do it now - get it straight - and get on with your life. He wasn't out to 'make a run for it' with the child - just thought he was doing what he was supposed to - he thought he was supposed to pick his kid up from school and be a father - not badgered and hammered like he was a kidnapper.
YES - He should have the respect for the mother to call when he picked up the child to let her know he safely picked her up.

Legally, the father did nothing wrong here. He was told by his Attorney that he could pick the child up = the attorney messed up not him.
His attorney's office admitted that. Her attorney was more concerned about going on vacation than getting back to their client(mother).

I feel bad that she drove around for a while looking for the child - I understand the desperation there, but this man probably loves his child too and didn't mean to cause any trouble, just looked forward to seeing his child.

BUt the judge isn't going to look at this as the father doing anything wrong - he's going to be more irritated at the mother for not putting the child's needs of being with her father before her own agenda of being controlling about exactly what HOUR it is that she allows her exhusband to pick up their daughter - not her daughter.
I do not like my ex and the way he treats my kids as "lesser" than him but I do believe that he is entitled to be a father to them - no matter what kind of father that may be. I may or may not agree with him - but my kids' father is my kids' father - he doesn't molest them or hit them or anything, he just makes them feel stupid and doesn't listen to what they tell him would make them happy - i.e. schools, living arrangements, etc - but I know he loves them and this father on the OP (original post) seems to just love his kid and want to see her too. I don't know what type of father he is but nothing has been stated that says he hurts or abuses her either.
 
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Mudhoney98 said:
It sounds to me like Dad may be pursuing the school pick-up/drop-off because it avoids any contact with the ex (no offense Bethlam, but few of us like meeting with the ex) Maybe he's pushing the after school pick-up because it means he doesn't have to go to your house or some awkward meeting place.

YEs - that's true. My ex's mother and I used to share the pick-up days - either she or I would pick the kids up and depending on who's night it was - they were responsible for picking the kids up from school and the baby from daycare.- (NOW I have to pick them up every day and work 7 days a week!)

The school and the daycare got used to our crazy schedule and so will yours. Whoever has them that morning - takes them to school/daycare or makes arrangements for stepmom, stepdad, or grandparents or aunt to do it then again that afternoon - whoever's night it is , is who is responsible for picking everyone up from their schools/daycare... and we switched EVERY TWO DAYS! and we worked it out. There HAS to be A LOT of communication ... so much communication that you begin to think that if you had had that much communication when you were married, you would have been able to make the marriage work!!! Actually, sometimes you feel like you are still married but you get the great part of being able to relax at the end of the day! ;) ;) ;)

My ex and I are very civil at our meeting times and talk about everything from schoolwork to diaper rashed to colds and drs visits to when we have out of town trips planned with our spouses and need for the other parent to know for emergency reasons (not that we are being nosy and most of the time the kids don't know we went out of town because they would get mad that we went without them).

Just take a deep breath OP and decide what it is that is worth fighting for - you HAVE to pick your battles because when the really important major ones DO come up you will have used all of your cards on the non-important things!
 

gabrat303

Junior Member
concernedmom4ki said:
I agree Gabrat but she is on a power struggle here. I think she needs to cut the man some slack. Yes, I was mean to her, I'm sure earlier but I hate it when good parents are made out to be enemies - the father was justlooking to spend some time with the child and he gets jumped all over - yes, communication didn't happen - but do it now - get it straight - and get on with your life. He wasn't out to 'make a run for it' with the child - just thought he was doing what he was supposed to - he thought he was supposed to pick his kid up from school and be a father - not badgered and hammered like he was a kidnapper.
YES - He should have the respect for the mother to call when he picked up the child to let her know he safely picked her up.

Legally, the father did nothing wrong here. He was told by his Attorney that he could pick the child up = the attorney messed up not him.
His attorney's office admitted that. Her attorney was more concerned about going on vacation than getting back to their client(mother).

I feel bad that she drove around for a while looking for the child - I understand the desperation there, but this man probably loves his child too and didn't mean to cause any trouble, just looked forward to seeing his child.

BUt the judge isn't going to look at this as the father doing anything wrong - he's going to be more irritated at the mother for not putting the child's needs of being with her father before her own agenda of being controlling about exactly what HOUR it is that she allows her exhusband to pick up their daughter - not her daughter.
I do not like my ex and the way he treats my kids as "lesser" than him but I do believe that he is entitled to be a father to them - no matter what kind of father that may be. I may or may not agree with him - but my kids' father is my kids' father - he doesn't molest them or hit them or anything, he just makes them feel stupid and doesn't listen to what they tell him would make them happy - i.e. schools, living arrangements, etc - but I know he loves them and this father on the OP (original post) seems to just love his kid and want to see her too. I don't know what type of father he is but nothing has been stated that says he hurts or abuses her either.


I am not saying who is right or wrong in this situation. All any of us have to go on is what is being posted. People can give advice without being ugly to the poster. As for the father being misinformed.... At the school I teach at, a child who normally rides the bus has to have a transportation change form in order to go home differently. I am sure that all schools have some sort of policy in place to handle this. If dad shows up to get the child and no one knows that she is to be a car rider, that should have been a red flag that mom intended her to ride the bus. Maybe he didn't think that way, I don't know. OP is not going to know for sure which attorney screwed up til Monday.
 

casa

Senior Member
I say be thankful this is the worst of the problems~ It could be the dad doesn't even want to see his child, could be he is trying to take custody, could be he is neglecting/abusing the child & OP can't prove it....Just seems to me this is a misunderstanding.

OP: Look at it the way you'd like the father to, when you have a misunderstanding. :cool:
 

BethIam

Junior Member
Wow

Talk about overreacting!! Some of these posts are hard to believe! Anyway, let me first say that somehow, most of you have taken what I've said and ran like hell with it in the opposite direction! I'm not saying that you've done it intentionally, but this has turned into something that isn't based on MY SITUATION anymore. I'm not sure how you've concluded that my x is a decent dad. The sad truth is, he is not. I do believe he could be, if he would stand up to his wife. Since he's been with her, my daughter is very low on his list of priorities. Why do you think it is that I really didn't even expect him to show up on Friday?? Because, that's what he does! For the past 2 1/2 years, myself and most of HIS family have tried to get him to show interest in Haylee. She does dance and gymnastics and has had 4 different recitals. He (and wife) have been invited each time. Not once have they came. Not once. Now, his new wife has a little girl from previous relationship that does beauty pagents. My x manages to travel all over the southeast going to her competitions. Should he? Of course he should. But, what message do you think he is sending to my daughter? She has issues with this and he is aware. I don't expect him to neglect his stepdaughter. But, I do expect him to be there for our daughter. He completely ignored her birthday in April. I gave him plenty of time, even called his mother to let her no that Haylee had mentioned that he hasn't called or even sent a card. His mom called him and finally 18 days after her birthday, a video game came in THE MAIL. No call. And, the game was incredibly violent. Even it's rating on the case was for mature teens. She's 8. Why is he stepping up now? I am not exactly sure. I only hope that it lasts but I am doubtful. I honestly think it's because his wife is bored and wants to stir the pot. She knows I want him in Haylee's life, and she knows I think it's important that he and I communicate. On a daily basis? Of course not. Only when something comes up with her. And especially if he is scheduled to get her, because of his past of not showing up, it would be nice if he would call to confirm. Never would I not answer one of his calls. Never. That's my childs father. If he is calling, it's something I need to hear. That goes both ways. I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but he lives 10 miles from here. That's it. As far as some of you saying that it should have been obvious that he picked her up at school, I sure thought I explained to you that it was only mentioned ONE time, when this stuff first started (around the end of July) and I said I would not agree to that, my attorney agreed also and IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP AGAIN. Now, other disputes have been going between both attorneys, but this was a dead issue. At that same time, he had also asked for EVERY spring break. I said no, we could split each break or trade years. But not EVERY one. This issue keeps coming back. He is still arguing, trying to get it. Why didn't the issue of the after school pickup continue? I assumed he accepted that it wasn't going to happen. And, knowing him as I do, I honestly thought he was relieved I had not agreed to that. As I think I've explained, this isn't what HE wants. This is his wifes plan to keep me out of the scene all together. I'm sure that's why they waited until school started back up to even ask for her. She is on some kind of power trip and my daughter is paying the price. As I told you, my x has never shown ANY interest in her school. This is his wife and I'm thinking my x is actually hoping the courts will shoot it down. Remember, he will NOT stand up to her, and would be more than happy to have the courts take control. Then, he doesn't have to stand up at all. He can simply tell her that it's not his fault, he tried to do what she asked. See? And as far as the cell phone goes, I thought I had made that clear also. He IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO ME UNLESS SHE IS PRESENT. If I called him and left a message that I needed to speak with him about Haylee, he would get the message but he wouldn't call me back until either A. He went home for lunch(wife present) or B. He clocked out and went home for the day.(wife present) or C. Not call me back at all. (most frequent) I'm telling you this woman has admitted this to me!!! He hasn't, of course. But this girl actually tried to justify it once by telling me that my x was the same way with her x. I later found out that's not the case. She tried to get me to believe that he was so jealous of her x that she wasn't allowed to talk to him unless my x was present. My x's family say that's not the case, she is actually ALONE with her x on a pretty regular basis. When I called his phone @ 2:50, he was in traffic most likely, not yet home. Later when I thought Haylee was missing and I called, he was home and was allowed to answer. Although he didn't, Haylee did. Don't kid yourselves. If his wife had not been with him, NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT CALL. Am I the only one who thinks that is crazy?? Bris & gabrat....thank you for not not putting your own twist on my situation. I am still trying to figure out how some of you came to the conclusions that you did. Especially this Kat person. Hog the kid? Geez, you are WAY OFF. So is concernedmom & Belize. I have reread and tried to figure out how you may have formed your impressions and I just can't make sense of it. Sorry. Bris...you got the message and I am thankful. I was starting to wonder if I was just doing a horrible job explaining this mess. Gabrat, Casa and Mudhoney, thanks for being able to offer advice without conviction. It seems to be a rare occurence here.
I have chilled out by painting my entire livingroom this weekend. I will ask my attorney what in the world happened on Friday, but that's as far as I will take it. I am incredibly thankful that she was not abducted. Oh yeah, one other thing that only added to my fear was this....I always drive her to school because the bus is sometimes late at the bus stop and I have seen little kids left up there standing a good hour after school starts at times. She likes the bus and it's a compromise to let her ride it home so I do. This past Friday was a bit different. When my teen was heading out to school, she popped back in to tell me that I had a flat tire. ALL THE WAY FLAT. (2 nails) Anyway, Haylee had to ride the bus. I watched her walk to the bus stop, but I did not actually SEE her get on. I was back in the house and I saw the bus go by. It was not late. So, this was on my mind also when my neighbor tells me Hay wasn't on the bus home. I was thinking that she could have been missing ALL DAY. Was I thinking clearly? No. Did I ask all the right questions with the school?? Probably not. I am not even exactly sure how many times I called up there. 2 at least, and we drove up there once.
Back to the point, depending on what my attorney says, I will most likely just let it go. After all, if he is finally ready to be involved in her life, that's what I've asked for all along. I am just hoping that the courts will tell him he has to communicate with me if I am calling about our child. I honestly think he is probably hoping for that to happen also. What I was curious about was how the courts will most likely see this. Their argument for not wanting to be around me or communicate with me is that we always fight. That's not true in the least. I've no doubts that there is fighting going on whenever we talk, but it's not him and I. It's the two of them.
 

casa

Senior Member
BethIam said:
Talk about overreacting!! Some of these posts are hard to believe! Anyway, let me first say that somehow, most of you have taken what I've said and ran like hell with it in the opposite direction! I'm not saying that you've done it intentionally, but this has turned into something that isn't based on MY SITUATION anymore. I'm not sure how you've concluded that my x is a decent dad. The sad truth is, he is not. I do believe he could be, if he would stand up to his wife. Since he's been with her, my daughter is very low on his list of priorities. Why do you think it is that I really didn't even expect him to show up on Friday?? Because, that's what he does! For the past 2 1/2 years, myself and most of HIS family have tried to get him to show interest in Haylee. She does dance and gymnastics and has had 4 different recitals. He (and wife) have been invited each time. Not once have they came. Not once. Now, his new wife has a little girl from previous relationship that does beauty pagents. My x manages to travel all over the southeast going to her competitions. Should he? Of course he should. But, what message do you think he is sending to my daughter? She has issues with this and he is aware. I don't expect him to neglect his stepdaughter. But, I do expect him to be there for our daughter. He completely ignored her birthday in April. I gave him plenty of time, even called his mother to let her no that Haylee had mentioned that he hasn't called or even sent a card. His mom called him and finally 18 days after her birthday, a video game came in THE MAIL. No call. And, the game was incredibly violent. Even it's rating on the case was for mature teens. She's 8. Why is he stepping up now? I am not exactly sure. I only hope that it lasts but I am doubtful. I honestly think it's because his wife is bored and wants to stir the pot. She knows I want him in Haylee's life, and she knows I think it's important that he and I communicate. On a daily basis? Of course not. Only when something comes up with her. And especially if he is scheduled to get her, because of his past of not showing up, it would be nice if he would call to confirm. Never would I not answer one of his calls. Never. That's my childs father. If he is calling, it's something I need to hear. That goes both ways. I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but he lives 10 miles from here. That's it. As far as some of you saying that it should have been obvious that he picked her up at school, I sure thought I explained to you that it was only mentioned ONE time, when this stuff first started (around the end of July) and I said I would not agree to that, my attorney agreed also and IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP AGAIN. Now, other disputes have been going between both attorneys, but this was a dead issue. At that same time, he had also asked for EVERY spring break. I said no, we could split each break or trade years. But not EVERY one. This issue keeps coming back. He is still arguing, trying to get it. Why didn't the issue of the after school pickup continue? I assumed he accepted that it wasn't going to happen. And, knowing him as I do, I honestly thought he was relieved I had not agreed to that. As I think I've explained, this isn't what HE wants. This is his wifes plan to keep me out of the scene all together. I'm sure that's why they waited until school started back up to even ask for her. She is on some kind of power trip and my daughter is paying the price. As I told you, my x has never shown ANY interest in her school. This is his wife and I'm thinking my x is actually hoping the courts will shoot it down. Remember, he will NOT stand up to her, and would be more than happy to have the courts take control. Then, he doesn't have to stand up at all. He can simply tell her that it's not his fault, he tried to do what she asked. See? And as far as the cell phone goes, I thought I had made that clear also. He IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO ME UNLESS SHE IS PRESENT. If I called him and left a message that I needed to speak with him about Haylee, he would get the message but he wouldn't call me back until either A. He went home for lunch(wife present) or B. He clocked out and went home for the day.(wife present) or C. Not call me back at all. (most frequent) I'm telling you this woman has admitted this to me!!! He hasn't, of course. But this girl actually tried to justify it once by telling me that my x was the same way with her x. I later found out that's not the case. She tried to get me to believe that he was so jealous of her x that she wasn't allowed to talk to him unless my x was present. My x's family say that's not the case, she is actually ALONE with her x on a pretty regular basis. When I called his phone @ 2:50, he was in traffic most likely, not yet home. Later when I thought Haylee was missing and I called, he was home and was allowed to answer. Although he didn't, Haylee did. Don't kid yourselves. If his wife had not been with him, NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT CALL. Am I the only one who thinks that is crazy?? Bris & gabrat....thank you for not not putting your own twist on my situation. I am still trying to figure out how some of you came to the conclusions that you did. Especially this Kat person. Hog the kid? Geez, you are WAY OFF. So is concernedmom & Belize. I have reread and tried to figure out how you may have formed your impressions and I just can't make sense of it. Sorry. Bris...you got the message and I am thankful. I was starting to wonder if I was just doing a horrible job explaining this mess. Gabrat, Casa and Mudhoney, thanks for being able to offer advice without conviction. It seems to be a rare occurence here.
I have chilled out by painting my entire livingroom this weekend. I will ask my attorney what in the world happened on Friday, but that's as far as I will take it. I am incredibly thankful that she was not abducted. Oh yeah, one other thing that only added to my fear was this....I always drive her to school because the bus is sometimes late at the bus stop and I have seen little kids left up there standing a good hour after school starts at times. She likes the bus and it's a compromise to let her ride it home so I do. This past Friday was a bit different. When my teen was heading out to school, she popped back in to tell me that I had a flat tire. ALL THE WAY FLAT. (2 nails) Anyway, Haylee had to ride the bus. I watched her walk to the bus stop, but I did not actually SEE her get on. I was back in the house and I saw the bus go by. It was not late. So, this was on my mind also when my neighbor tells me Hay wasn't on the bus home. I was thinking that she could have been missing ALL DAY. Was I thinking clearly? No. Did I ask all the right questions with the school?? Probably not. I am not even exactly sure how many times I called up there. 2 at least, and we drove up there once.
Back to the point, depending on what my attorney says, I will most likely just let it go. After all, if he is finally ready to be involved in her life, that's what I've asked for all along. I am just hoping that the courts will tell him he has to communicate with me if I am calling about our child. I honestly think he is probably hoping for that to happen also. What I was curious about was how the courts will most likely see this. Their argument for not wanting to be around me or communicate with me is that we always fight. That's not true in the least. I've no doubts that there is fighting going on whenever we talk, but it's not him and I. It's the two of them.

Paragraphs are your friends ;)
 

haiku

Senior Member
not alot of people are gonna want to read all that, aside from the fact it doesn't change the advice you got.

Quite frankly, you say Bris and the other one didn't twist your story, no they are the only ones who told you what you wanted to hear, and they did it, by twisting your story to fit thier story...funny how that works.

the gist I got from your post was that formerly, YOU were the puppet master, and now some other woman is.

its tough to let that go isn't it?

seriously. Paint some more, you still are not there yet....
 

Mudhoney98

Junior Member
hang in there bethlam :) It just goes to show that there is always more to the story. In this case....a lot more.

I guess there are some posters who could work on being helpful not harmful. Don't get discouraged. I have read some amazing posts and am impressed by the amount of people offering advice. unfortunately there are always a few that could learn a little netiquette :p
 

brisgirl825

Senior Member
BethIam said:
Uh....okay...(?)

She was referring to your post. It had only a few paragraphs and that makes it difficult to read.

If you truly want to give dad as much time as possible, then give him that opprotunity. However, you can ask that the judge order that he makes pertinent info available to you. That way, he is ordered to keep you informed, which should make the wife happy that only necessary calls are allowed. Then you don't have to be left wondering.
Perhaps after time goes on and the wife becomes more comfortable, things will not be so stressed. Give it time and make the child available.
 

brisgirl825

Senior Member
haiku said:
not alot of people are gonna want to read all that, aside from the fact it doesn't change the advice you got.

Quite frankly, you say Bris and the other one didn't twist your story, no they are the only ones who told you what you wanted to hear, and they did it, by twisting your story to fit thier story...funny how that works.

the gist I got from your post was that formerly, YOU were the puppet master, and now some other woman is.

its tough to let that go isn't it?

seriously. Paint some more, you still are not there yet....

I did not tell her what she wanted to hear. She expressed a desire to keep dad from picking up the child after school and I specifically told her she should allow dad the opprotunity do that.

I said before and I will say it again, I only added a personal story to let OP know that I understood her point, but that didn't make it correct.
 

haiku

Senior Member
brisgirl825 said:
I think that the communication situation is more than just not having the phone nearby or didn't have the time to get to the messages. According to OP, he refuses to talk to her so he does have the phone, looks at the caller ID, and doesn't return calls. I think dad might be getting a little too much credit here. He absolutely did the wrong thing and made mom worry needlessly.
Until a CO says he can pick her up from school, OP should be doing that herself.
I also think that OP should give dad the chance to be responsible for the school work over the weekend. Although, he has demonstrated that he perhaps, isn't quite responsible, he still has the obligation to make sure the work is done.

Everytime my kids were sick, I would keep them or pick them up from the ex b/c he didn't want to deal with it. One time the kids went over and got sick over there. He called pissed and wanted me to come get them. I said, "no". I finally got tired of being the only one responsible for taking care of ill children. It was his turn and you know what...he didn't die doing it. Of course, I found out later that the kids had gotten spankins for throwing up on his couch. :rolleyes:
Anyway, so message to the OP is that, although you feel that you are the only one that is going to make sure that the work gets done, doesn't matter. He has the responsibility to make her do the work too. Don't needlessly make yourself the only parent. Divorce doesn't mean that you do this all on your own now. Let him have the stress too.


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