Possession W/Intent in Mississippi

[needshelp2004]

Chance sare the info you got was not secret, hidden, or otherwise protected - just difficult to get.

And from what you said, I think MS is where your sights should lay. Suing people here in CA could be expensive and end up with a goose-egg in the pay-off department.

The other consideration is that YOU are not the aggrieved party here, your son-in-law is ... HE needs to get the lawyer and HE needs to do the follow through. YOU do not have a legal right to diddly, and anyone who gives YOU the runaround is well within their legal rights to do so.

- Carl

P.S. I should also note that "NOBODY" gave me the runaround. They couldn't give me ANY information because MAYBE they had none or MAYBE the paperwork was MISSING or MAYBE the paperwork was incorrect or MAYBE they were busy trying to COVER THEIR OWN A--!!!

For whatever reason, (and I now KNOW the reason) it will ALL come out in the WASH!!!

ALL I NEEDED WAS THAT ONE BREAK AND I FINALLY GOT IT THANKS TO YOU!!! YOU were right, it all came down to that abstract warrant ...

 

[CdwJava]

That Sir is were you are wrong ...

Since you are not saying WHAT you obtained, I cannot know. And with the Sunshine laws in CA, there is very little that we cannot provide after a time or proper request. So I doubt you got anything that was not ultimately discoverable.

Did you know that my investigative notes are ultimately public records? They are. Virtually everything is - including e-mail to my chief.

So I doubt you got anything you or your son-in-law could not have gotten ultimately. And I can't imagine what would possibly be in the file that would be a "smoking gun" for anyone ... and since you aren't saying, I guess we'll never know.

I KNOW the information I obtained was not something I was suppose to see or know. I KNOWthis person was not suppose to be giving me the information.

As I said, all because they may not have been permitted to give YOU that information (or so easily) I doubt it is information that would not have ultimately been lawfully obtainable by your SIL or you with the proper procedures.

Let's just say I CAN PROVE that A LOT of people dropped the ball starting with MS and continuing right down the line...

If you say so. Then knock yourself out, and get that attorney.

Tell us what the attorneys have to say. Your first clue is going to be if they ask for money up front or agree to a contingency. If they want the money up front, then that should send off alarms about the potential for a financial settlement at this end. If they light up and jump at a contingency agreement, then your SIL can start shopping for a Lexis.

YOU are the one who taught me about the "abstract warrant" and it just so happens that's where the "ball" started rolling in my direction. It was that information you gave me that lead me to "MY ANGEL", so THANK YOU!!!

You're welcome.

But, I think you're going to hear a lot about the term "good faith" in the weeks and months to come. And holding someone on an abstract or pending an abstract is not necessarily equal to liability.

I can tell you who put out the warrant, which agency, and on what day, what time and for what charge and ANYTHING else you want to know ...

So can I - it's all in NCIC.

Again, remember that YOU are not the aggrieved party and have no standing in a suit (and couldn't file it). Your SIL will have the standing, the lawyer, and the financial reward - if any.

- Carl

 

[needshelp2004]

Since you are not saying WHAT you obtained, I cannot know. And with the Sunshine laws in CA, there is very little that we cannot provide after a time or proper request. So I doubt you got anything that was not ultimately discoverable.


Did you know that my investigative notes are ultimately public records? They are. Virtually everything is - including e-mail to my chief.

So I doubt you got anything you or your son-in-law could not have gotten ultimately. And I can't imagine what would possibly be in the file that would be a "smoking gun" for anyone ... and since you aren't saying, I guess we'll never know.



As I said, all because they may not have been permitted to give YOU that information (or so easily) I doubt it is information that would not have ultimately been lawfully obtainable by your SIL or you with the proper procedures.



If you say so. Then knock yourself out, and get that attorney.

Tell us what the attorneys have to say. Your first clue is going to be if they ask for money up front or agree to a contingency. If they want the money up front, then that should send off alarms about the potential for a financial settlement at this end. If they light up and jump at a contingency agreement, then your SIL can start shopping for a Lexis.



You're welcome.

But, I think you're going to hear a lot about the term "good faith" in the weeks and months to come. And holding someone on an abstract or pending an abstract is not necessarily equal to liability.



So can I - it's all in NCIC.

Again, remember that YOU are not the aggrieved party and have no standing in a suit (and couldn't file it). Your SIL will have the standing, the lawyer, and the financial reward - if any.

- Carl

I'm sure I could have gotten it eventually, somewhere down the line but getting it now and without all the paperwork and beaurocratic BS has made it a lot easier for my SIL ...

What if I told you that your little abstract warrant was MIA??? What if they have ALL dates, times, places, incorrect??? (I mean how could he have comitted a crime in MS on a date that we can prove he was sitting in a PRISON IN TEXAS) What if they NEVER even issued the warrant until SEVERAL years AFTER the case was already dismissed, like 3 & 1/2 years??? What if the AGENCY who posted the warrant was WRONG and that is why the Courthouse shows NO WARRANT??? What if the courthouse was RIGHT and the AGENCY wrong??? What if somehow when arrested at the border they NEVER verified the warrant??? Seems the Border Patrol is now involved and EVERYONE wants to know how he voted, had obtained a driver's license and passed in and out of the U.S. for 15 months w/o the warrant being noticed??? Seems as though there are several agencies and several people who NOW want answers ... tell me, where were they before when he was incarcerated and I was begging some one to look into it and handed them the information on a silver platter??? I gave names, phone numbers, agencies, documentation, etc and NOBODY gave a DAMN, Funny thing NOW I DON"T GIVE A DAMN either ...

Hmm, false arrest??? False imprisonment??? etc., etc., THANK YOU MY DEAR FRIEND FLORID-AISE for the lessons ...

I'm not quite sure how the ranks go except for in the Military, but I believe in my dreams "My Angel" was PRETTY HIGH UP in rank and on the social ladder too!!! I'm not worried about your little NCIC information BS, easy to get into, piece of cake. Thats the first thing "MY ANGEL" cracked open for me and thats where I got the information that ultimately lead me down the right path. Seems he's got some pull somewhere, weird how one's dreams can be Sooo VIVID ...

P.S. I have talked to an ATTORNEY, and so has my SIL, funny thing, they both were very eager to meet with us and take a look at the paperwork and all the notes of names and numbers from the "investigating" I did. Gee, I wonder why??? Oh, and they BOTH mentioned that CONTINGENCY thing ...

 

[needshelp2004]

P.p.s.

Just so that there is NO misunderstanding I realize you keep repeating the "its not ME, but my SIL". My SIL is the one who asks me for the help as he is trying to put his life back together after this BS. I just wanted to make it PERFECTLY clear that this isn't about MONEY, I said all along that this is about someone being held accountable for what has happened and about the APOLOGY they said we'd never get. I believe I said I WOULD GET AN APOLOGY for my SIL if it was the last thing I did before I died and by God, I meant that, regardless of what I have to do or what it takes ...

I WILL NOT under any circumstances let ANYONE F--- with my family and I WANT JUSTICE!!!

 

[CdwJava]

Okay ...fine. Since you insist on being rude, then knock yourself out. I try to offer a little insight and you choose to think you have some super secret intel and come back acting like a snide teenager.

Fine ... have it your way. I've seen this exact sort of thing before and they almost always end up with the originating agency. Maybe he has a case, maybe he doesn't. Good luck. But good faith will usually prevail ... and even from what you just wrote, the fingers point to MS ... yet you want to waste time here.

Okay. No skin off my nose.

Have fun. I'm done.

- Carl

 

[seniorjudge]

"I WILL NOT under any circumstances let ANYONE F--- with my family and I WANT JUSTICE!!!"

Naah...go for the dough. Can't spend justice at the grocery store and, besides, you never know when you get justice!

 

[needshelp2004]

Okay ...fine. Since you insist on being rude, then knock yourself out. I try to offer a little insight and you choose to think you have some super secret intel and come back acting like a snide teenager.

Fine ... have it your way. I've seen this exact sort of thing before and they almost always end up with the originating agency. Maybe he has a case, maybe he doesn't. Good luck. But good faith will usually prevail ... and even from what you just wrote, the fingers point to MS ... yet you want to waste time here.

Okay. No skin off my nose.

Have fun. I'm done.

- Carl

I am VERY SORRY if I am coming across as being rude, I do not mean to be but if you eere handed the information that was handed to me today you would understand why I am upset.

You are totally right, it was MS who originally made the mistake but there were other mistakes along the way. AND I might add they were mistakes YOU pointed out could have been made. I am VERY appreciative for that but I am tired of running into so called "officers of the court" and "officers of the law" who seem to think they can do no wrong. I"ve listened to it most of the dayand in thge end it was one of them who "made a mistake". Heaven forbid they could be human and admit to it.

Just so you are aware of how ridiculous these people are they now can't seem to figure out who made for the verification on the warrant and NOBODY seems to have your "warrant abstract" as I said, it's gone MIA!!!

Worse yet, after ALL that we have been through the warrant is STILL active and I was informed he could be arrested all over again if this isn't cleared up but yet can't find ANYONE who'll do it. They continue to pass US from agency after agency and yet still nothing ...

I truly do not mean to be rude but I think and believe with ALL MY BEING HE DESERVES JUSTICE but more than that he deserves for someone to be held accountable and say those 2 little words "I'M SORRY" and I'm sorry if you can't understand that or the frustration. Especially knowing what we now know ...

 

[needshelp2004]

"I WILL NOT under any circumstances let ANYONE F--- with my family and I WANT JUSTICE!!!"

Naah...go for the dough. Can't spend justice at the grocery store and, besides, you never know when you get justice!

Thank You for making me smile

After ALL the BS it was nice to smile. Again I thank you.

You cannot believe how frustrating it is to be standing there having a total moron tell me my SIL comitted this crime on such and such date and me standing there showing them papers verifying it couldn't be him or it wasn't that date as he was serving time on that date in Huntsville Texas. I mean I'm holding verification right in my hands and they're still insisting they're right. Duh ...

And NOBODY knows who called to verify the warrant. I was told that U.S. Customs should have gotten a tele-type from MS but for some reason its MIA, nobody can find the document ...

The entire thing has become a soap opera and its frustrating that I can't get ANYONE to admit there was a mistake, they just say "it couldn't have been us" and pass you on to the next agency ...

 

[needshelp2004]

Fyi

Here is part of an article I was sent from "a friend" that I thought was interesting and wanted to share with you. If you are interested in the ENTIRE article let me know. I want all of you to know that it is the Jones County Sheriff's Department that I am dealing with right now. This is the Agency who put the warrant into NCIC, although the Jones County Courthouse says there is NO warrant. Seems as though they've been having trouble for awhile ...

BTW ...this is right around the time they "claim" my SIL "jumped" bail ...


By Deborah Bulkeley, Associated Press Writer

Published: December 31, 2001

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) When it comes to the public's right to know, a statewide survey suggests a number of Mississippi sheriffs' departments are either ignorant of the law or have chosen to ignore it.

Of the 36 counties covered in a survey organized by The Associated Press, fewer than half fully complied when volunteers asked to see jail dockets and an arrest record -- both public under a 1983 state law.

"The first person I spoke with was persistent in trying to find out why I wanted the information. I was made to feel extremely uncomfortable," said Deidra Walters, a volunteer who visited the Jones County Sheriff's Department in Laurel.

Representatives of the department did not return phone calls for comment.

The AP, working with the Mississippi Center for Freedom of Information, the Mississippi Press Association, Common Cause, and daily and weekly newspapers throughout the state, tested Mississippi's Public Records Act in 40 of the state's 82 counties on Nov. 14. Four counties were excluded from the survey results because of problems in the way information was gathered.

Most agencies readily complied with a request to see the jail docket, but 20 departments would not produce an arrest report.

Hmmm, whaddya think???
I can totally relate to the whole "did not return phone calls" comment!!!

 

[nanaII]

Needshelp

T, I am wondering something. Was the Judge who released him the same Judge who raised hell about not being able to get ahold of authorities in MS?

 

[Florid-aise]

Listen here T. Want you to see YOUR invaluable part here. This new assignment is and will be ultimately invaluable as life processess itself for you and your ability and responsibility to teach and train your children this information.

The Sunshine Law. In CA, in MS, and the corresponding federal version, the Freedom of Informtion Act (which, I am proud to inform you was modeled after Florida's Public Records Act).

CdwJava, was under the impression that you are acting like a teenager. He sees it as if you are not grasping his insights, which is obvious that you do. And although you have new and valuable insights, he perceives you as ignoring some obvious recommendations. Such as looking to MS for the ultimate answers. (FYI-Good Faith detention, and transport, by SDPD, and SDSO will absolve them both from any liablity in the most likely case. There are instances where they could be found liable but this could only come about as a result of super-lawyering work. Trust me on this one point.). As you have already discovered, it can only be the DEFENDANT who can bring this suit. Nuff said there. When you vent here, Carl perceives you ignoring his sage info. We both know different. He will definitely come around. After all you are only re-inventing the wheel. Changing the definition of mudder-in-law.

Your most valuable contribution can be done from the comfort of your very own home with the tools the Sunshine Laws and FOIA give you. I CANNOT overstate enough just how important this is. It is of no consequence who failed to file what. It matters not who must be the one bringing suit. The Sunshine Laws, and the FOIA are in place specifically for the purpose of creating a check and balance system, where persons can be inspectors of government and can hold the government accountable. Start delving into CA's Sunshine Law, and the same for MS. There is far too much info on the web where the FOIA is concerned. Learn these backwards and forwards. You will be able to use them in this instance and will be far more valuable as life goes on.

Begin now, to request these documents under the Sunshine Laws of the various places.

 

[Florid-aise]

First and foremost do this. Buy a spiral-bound composition book. Not a loose leaf notebook. A spiral-bound composition book. A large one. Re-create the time line that has transpired and keeping things in their respective chronological order.

From today forward, this book is your SIL's case. You have no idea just how absolutely invaluable this same book (or books) will become four years from now while this case is in appeal.

Log everything. Each time you send a public records request, who it is sent to, the date you requested it. Log the phone calls, who you spoke with and the substance of the conversations. Each time you visit with someone, reduce to writing in this notebook the substance of those conversations as well. Using a spiral-bound notebook will force you to keep these notes in a somewhat chronological order out of necessity. I hope you get the meaning here without me going into more detail. Simply log everything.

Now. You have what you consider "inside" info. I perceive that you very well may. Do NOT post here ANY info of a personal nature. Any of the info you got having anything to do with any particular PERSON. Keep to yourself. Any info you may have as to any "inside" conversations or "inside" statements made by persons behind the scenes. Keep to yourself. These things are to be disclosed ONLY to the lawyer. No other living human is to be informed of what you know.

 

[needshelp2004]

T, I am wondering something. Was the Judge who released him the same Judge who raised hell about not being able to get ahold of authorities in MS?

Actually, we DO NOT know why he was released and on who's order. He DID NOT have ANY release papers other than a white slip of paper with his name, booking #, floor, cell, bed, that read "Notification" across the top and then below it the words "charges dropped, rls to sts (released to streets)" and a time stamp. NO signature, NO explaination, NO nothing. It's just a little note.

 

[seniorjudge]

T, let me tell you something.

You irritated Carl. I have never seen Carl irritated. Carl is one of my favorite Republicans (and that is a very short list, let me assure you).

He (and others on here) have told you repeatedly some things you need to know:

Get off this forum and get a lawyer in Mississippi.

You do not have secret information.

Forget about justice, go for the money.

Your very last post hit a new low in trivia.

Quit typing and get a lawyer in Mississippi and don't post back till you have real info.

 

[needshelp2004]

First and foremost do this. Buy a spiral-bound composition book. Not a loose leaf notebook. A spiral-bound composition book. A large one. Re-create the time line that has transpired and keeping things in their respective chronological order.

From today forward, this book is your SIL's case. You have no idea just how absolutely invaluable this same book (or books) will become four years from now while this case is in appeal.

Log everything. Each time you send a public records request, who it is sent to, the date you requested it. Log the phone calls, who you spoke with and the substance of the conversations. Each time you visit with someone, reduce to writing in this notebook the substance of those conversations as well. Using a spiral-bound notebook will force you to keep these notes in a somewhat chronological order out of necessity. I hope you get the meaning here without me going into more detail. Simply log everything.

Now. You have what you consider "inside" info. I perceive that you very well may. Do NOT post here ANY info of a personal nature. Any of the info you got having anything to do with any particular PERSON. Keep to yourself. Any info you may have as to any "inside" conversations or "inside" statements made by persons behind the scenes. Keep to yourself. These things are to be disclosed ONLY to the lawyer. No other living human is to be informed of what you know.

I hear everything you're saying. Funny that you should mention the entire spiral folder thing because I started that yesterday and last night started the whole chronological order of the events that transpired from the date back in 1999 when this whole thing started. I will keep a record of EVERYTHING from today forward. I have records from Dec. until the present which I will also transfer into the notebook.

I also understand exactly what you are saying about "inside info". It was I who approached him because I recognized him from a public forum ...

I'm sure Carl is right and I could more than likely have obtained the information, EVENTUALLY. But getting the paperwork as quickly and as easily as I did saved me a lot of time and money ...

I just spoke to my SIL's attorney who basically said that the reason San Diego let him go is because they couldn't get ANY information from MS and they wouldn't answer ANY phone calls so San Diego felt as if MS were "playing games" and wasn't going to play so the Extradition Officer ordered his release. Those are pretty much the exact words ...