Rights to first child terminated; now have new child. HELP!!

[natsteel]

References at bottom:

Undergoing MMT (Methadone Maintenance Treatment) while pregnant will not cause birth defects for your baby, but some infants may go through withdrawal after birth. Withdrawal does not mean the baby is addicted. Studies have shown that your dose of medication has no bearing on whether or not your baby experiences withdrawal. Infant withdrawal usually begins a few days after your baby is born but may begin two to four weeks after birth.

Withdrawal symptoms may last several weeks and commonly include:

* Fussiness/restlessness
* Not eating or sleeping well
* Fever
* Vomiting
* Trembling

Many times a quiet, comfortable environment is enough to provide comfort to your baby. If the symptoms are severe, your baby’s doctor may prescribe medicine to help. The doctor also may be able to provide information and support to you on how to make your baby more comfortable without medicine. Let your doctor manage the baby’s withdrawal.

The good news is that babies born to mothers on methadone do as well as other babies. And their health is much better than babies born to mothers on heroin.

It can be reassuring to know that thousands of healthy babies born to methadone-maintained moms develop into normal children.

1. Berghella, V.; Lim ,P.J.; Hill, M.K.; Cherpes, J.; Chennat, J.; and Kaltenbach, K. Maternal methadone dose and neonatal withdrawal. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 189(2): 312-317, 2003.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

Mike is wrong about alot of things.

Oh Well, Time to take my fat alcoholic self to get an oreo, and search for porn on the net. rolleyes:

 

[NEmomof3]

My response:

You're wrong, on every count, when it comes to me. I am an attorney in California. Do you know how many times I've seen, and dealt with people like you? In my business, my law firm sees "you", and druggie women like yours, quite often.

IAAL

Remind me to ALWAYS stay on IAAL's good side!! Wow, you tell 'em..

 

[casa]

References at bottom:

Undergoing MMT (Methadone Maintenance Treatment) while pregnant will not cause birth defects for your baby, but some infants may go through withdrawal after birth. Withdrawal does not mean the baby is addicted. Studies have shown that your dose of medication has no bearing on whether or not your baby experiences withdrawal. Infant withdrawal usually begins a few days after your baby is born but may begin two to four weeks after birth.

Withdrawal symptoms may last several weeks and commonly include:

* Fussiness/restlessness
* Not eating or sleeping well
* Fever
* Vomiting
* Trembling

Many times a quiet, comfortable environment is enough to provide comfort to your baby. If the symptoms are severe, your baby_s doctor may prescribe medicine to help. The doctor also may be able to provide information and support to you on how to make your baby more comfortable without medicine. Let your doctor manage the baby_s withdrawal.

The good news is that babies born to mothers on methadone do as well as other babies. And their health is much better than babies born to mothers on heroin.

It can be reassuring to know that thousands of healthy babies born to methadone-maintained moms develop into normal children.

1. Berghella, V.; Lim ,P.J.; Hill, M.K.; Cherpes, J.; Chennat, J.; and Kaltenbach, K. Maternal methadone dose and neonatal withdrawal. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 189(2): 312-317, 2003.

OK, I've really tried to remain nuetral throughout this...and you HAVE been given correct legal advice, regardless of the moral messages you find insulting.

Just because a baby born on heroine is less healthy than a baby born on methadone~ DOES NOT mean that methadone is "harmless". Mother has a choice to STOP USING DRUGS OF ANY KIND during her pregnancy. Do you not understand that?? Social Services sees a pattern of mom #1 Losing children and #2 Returning to drugs &/or methadone. That is NOT the life a child should be born into or endure.

If you read the withdrawal symptoms...you can surely imagine the psychological effects to your small baby, who is not able to process or understand stimuli as an adult can. I doubt YOU a grown man would 'manage' those symptoms for that duration! GET A CLUE.

Hire an attorney, LEAVE MOM and work ....then, just MAYBE you will be rewarded with a life with your child.

 

[THE PRACTICE-36]

References at bottom:

Undergoing MMT (Methadone Maintenance Treatment) while pregnant will not cause birth defects for your baby, but some infants may go through withdrawal after birth. Withdrawal does not mean the baby is addicted. Studies have shown that your dose of medication has no bearing on whether or not your baby experiences withdrawal. Infant withdrawal usually begins a few days after your baby is born but may begin two to four weeks after birth.

Withdrawal symptoms may last several weeks and commonly include:

* Fussiness/restlessness
* Not eating or sleeping well
* Fever
* Vomiting
* Trembling

Many times a quiet, comfortable environment is enough to provide comfort to your baby. If the symptoms are severe, your baby’s doctor may prescribe medicine to help. The doctor also may be able to provide information and support to you on how to make your baby more comfortable without medicine. Let your doctor manage the baby’s withdrawal.

The good news is that babies born to mothers on methadone do as well as other babies. And their health is much better than babies born to mothers on heroin.

It can be reassuring to know that thousands of healthy babies born to methadone-maintained moms develop into normal children.

1. Berghella, V.; Lim ,P.J.; Hill, M.K.; Cherpes, J.; Chennat, J.; and Kaltenbach, K. Maternal methadone dose and neonatal withdrawal. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 189(2): 312-317, 2003.

My response:

"The good news is that babies born to mothers on methadone do as well as other babies. And their health is much better than babies born to mothers on heroin."

MY RESPONSE: Well, no sh!t. Compared to the alternative, ANYTHING "is much better."


It can be reassuring to know that thousands of healthy babies born to methadone-maintained moms develop into normal children.

MY RESPONSE: Yes, "thousands" - - especially compared to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of babies born each year!


This is all "pat yourself on the back" crap! It's "feel good" clap trap!

IAAL

 

[natsteel]

The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs

by Edward M. Brecher

Likelihood of pregnancy.
Increased likelihood of pregnancy is almost universally reported as a side effect among female heroin addicts who convert to methadone-though whether this is a pharmacological result of the switch from heroin to methadone or of the accompanying change in life-style remains in doubt. The pregnancies are sometimes unwanted. Typical is this statement of Dr. Bloom: "The rate of pregnancy in our New Orleans methadone programs has been as high as 20 percent during the past year. Female patients of childbearing age appear to be more fertile once they are stabilized on methadone. They should be informed of this, and where appropriate, be offered birth control information Or measures." 8

Outcome of pregnancy.
During the first few years of methadone maintenance, the question of possible damage to the fetus in pregnancy was often raised. The question can now be answered decisively. The rate of congenital malformations among babies born to mothers taking high doses of methadone both before and during pregnancy does not differ significantly from the rate to be expected among nonaddicted mothers of the same age, color, and socioeconomic status. 9

The course of pregnancy among women on methadone is generally uneventful, with few complications. Birth complications are also what might be expected in a comparable nonaddicted group.

Careful evaluation of the babies at birth, performed at several centers, reveals only two deviations from what would be expected. The Beth Israel findings in 19 babies is typical of the findings generally.

First, while few of the Beth Israel babies born to mothers on methadone maintenance were in fact premature-born too soon--one-third of them had the low birth weight (under 2,500 grams) typical of premature babies. This is, of course, a handicap. The proportion of lowbirth-weight babies is about the same as among babies born to mothers on heroin. 10 How much the heroin and methadone contribute to the problem, however, remains in doubt. Low birth weight is also a characteristic of babies born to mothers who smoke heavily--- and almost all of these mothers were heavy smokers. Low birth weight is also frequent among the poor, the black, and those otherwise socially handicapped; almost all of these mothers were in one or more of these categories.

The other condition frequently found in babies born to mothers on methadone was hyperirritability--- the pattern often mistakenly called "withdrawal symptoms." In the Beth Israel series, 8 of the 19 methadone babies were born completely free of such symptoms and 6 more had symptoms too mild to require medication. Five babies had moderate symptoms requiring medication. None had severe symptoms. 11 This was a better record than for Beth Israel babies whose mothers were heroin addicts not on methadone. As noted earlier, this hyperirritability may be related to low birth weight--- or to factors wholly unrelated to opiates.

Development following birth. Dr. Saul Blatman, the Beth Israel pediatrician in charge of infant care for babies born to addicted mothers and to mothers on methadone maintenance, presented at the Third National Conference on Methadone Treatment the first follow-up report on the postnatal development of methadone babies. The report covered 14 children from four and a half to forty-two months of age.

Each child seen by us has been found to be developing physically within normal limits without exception. Psychometrics performed during these visits using the Knobloch-Modified Gesell Test or the Bayley Scales of Infant Development showed the following overall range: A normal or average test for I I of the 14 babies; a below average test, as far as development of intelligence is concerned, in one baby; and a high normal or high average intelligence in one baby. One normal baby, who is average in all other respects, showed poor language development at ages 23 and 33 months. Overall, the impression is that this group compares favorably with other children of similar age. 12

Footnotes 10.-12. Saul Blatman, in Proceedings, Third Methadone Conference, pp. 84-85.

 

[natsteel]

its not "clap trap" anything... its just information. And the main symptom was premature birth and low birth weight. My son was born 2 days AFTER his due date and was 7lbs 4 oz and 20 1/2 ins. - all limbs attached.

 

[NEmomof3]

Just a question..with all these "references" your posting here, are you trying to convice us or yourself that it's ok?

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

References at bottom:

Undergoing MMT (Methadone Maintenance Treatment) while pregnant will not cause birth defects for your baby, but some infants may go through withdrawal after birth. Withdrawal does not mean the baby is addicted. Studies have shown that your dose of medication has no bearing on whether or not your baby experiences withdrawal. Infant withdrawal usually begins a few days after your baby is born but may begin two to four weeks after birth.

Withdrawal symptoms may last several weeks and commonly include:

* Fussiness/restlessness
* Not eating or sleeping well
* Fever
* Vomiting
* Trembling

OMG! You think this is ok Mike? GIVE THAT CHILD UP FOR ADOPTION MIKE!

Many times a quiet, comfortable environment is enough to provide comfort to your baby. If the symptoms are severe, your baby’s doctor may prescribe medicine to help. The doctor also may be able to provide information and support to you on how to make your baby more comfortable without medicine. Let your doctor manage the baby’s withdrawal.

How selfish of you to think this is ok. You should never have had unprotected sex with you both being addicts. She should have aborted this poor child. She lost her other kids, what the hell were you thinking Mike?

The good news is that babies born to mothers on methadone do as well as other babies. And their health is much better than babies born to mothers on heroin.

Well DUH Mike. The better news is that a baby born to a non drug addict doesn't have to go through hell like you are putting your child through Mike.

It can be reassuring to know that thousands of healthy babies born to methadone-maintained moms develop into normal children.

Hmm, Maybe when both parents are not milking the methadone Mike?


You are on your way to having a kid taken away from you Mike.

Live with your and her mistakes, and deal with that fact.

 

[THE PRACTICE-36]

Answer My Questions, Mike!

My response:

Mike, why are you avoiding my questions?

Seriously, Mike. Describe your living conditions, your work, yourself, and your qualifications to be a parent. Seriously.

Additionally, tell us why the State is keeping the child, and not turning the child over to you.

IAAL

 

[eme76]

ok everybody...I IN NO WAY THINK THAT THIS MAN OR THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD SHOULD BE ALOWED TO RAISE A GOLDFISH MUCH LESS A CHILD!

that said i have been reading info for the past couple of hours and have come to 2 conclusions #1methadone seems to not be as bad as a lot of other things during a pregnancy #2 if the state took the baby it WAS NOT because of the mother being on methadone while pregnant there HAD TO BE SOME OTHER REASON that the state felt the child was in danger
here is some of what i have been reading
http://www.ocfs.state.ny.us/main/prevention/faqs.asp#top
http://www.exchangesupplies.org/publications/methadonehbk/pregnancy.html
http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/methadone/section4.html#babie
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1169.asp
http://www.sims.it/pregmeth.htm
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/medicine/bmj/nnf4/pdfs/methacommentary.pdf
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/methdone_wcp.htm
http://www.statelinemed.com/about_methadone.htm

 

[casa]

The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs

by Edward M. Brecher

Likelihood of pregnancy.
Increased likelihood of pregnancy is almost universally reported as a side effect among female heroin addicts who convert to methadone-though whether this is a pharmacological result of the switch from heroin to methadone or of the accompanying change in life-style remains in doubt. The pregnancies are sometimes unwanted. Typical is this statement of Dr. Bloom: "The rate of pregnancy in our New Orleans methadone programs has been as high as 20 percent during the past year. Female patients of childbearing age appear to be more fertile once they are stabilized on methadone. They should be informed of this, and where appropriate, be offered birth control information Or measures." 8

Outcome of pregnancy.
During the first few years of methadone maintenance, the question of possible damage to the fetus in pregnancy was often raised. The question can now be answered decisively. The rate of congenital malformations among babies born to mothers taking high doses of methadone both before and during pregnancy does not differ significantly from the rate to be expected among nonaddicted mothers of the same age, color, and socioeconomic status. 9

The course of pregnancy among women on methadone is generally uneventful, with few complications. Birth complications are also what might be expected in a comparable nonaddicted group.

Careful evaluation of the babies at birth, performed at several centers, reveals only two deviations from what would be expected. The Beth Israel findings in 19 babies is typical of the findings generally.

First, while few of the Beth Israel babies born to mothers on methadone maintenance were in fact premature-born too soon--one-third of them had the low birth weight (under 2,500 grams) typical of premature babies. This is, of course, a handicap. The proportion of lowbirth-weight babies is about the same as among babies born to mothers on heroin. 10 How much the heroin and methadone contribute to the problem, however, remains in doubt. Low birth weight is also a characteristic of babies born to mothers who smoke heavily--- and almost all of these mothers were heavy smokers. Low birth weight is also frequent among the poor, the black, and those otherwise socially handicapped; almost all of these mothers were in one or more of these categories.

The other condition frequently found in babies born to mothers on methadone was hyperirritability--- the pattern often mistakenly called "withdrawal symptoms." In the Beth Israel series, 8 of the 19 methadone babies were born completely free of such symptoms and 6 more had symptoms too mild to require medication. Five babies had moderate symptoms requiring medication. None had severe symptoms. 11 This was a better record than for Beth Israel babies whose mothers were heroin addicts not on methadone. As noted earlier, this hyperirritability may be related to low birth weight--- or to factors wholly unrelated to opiates.

Development following birth. Dr. Saul Blatman, the Beth Israel pediatrician in charge of infant care for babies born to addicted mothers and to mothers on methadone maintenance, presented at the Third National Conference on Methadone Treatment the first follow-up report on the postnatal development of methadone babies. The report covered 14 children from four and a half to forty-two months of age.

Each child seen by us has been found to be developing physically within normal limits without exception. Psychometrics performed during these visits using the Knobloch-Modified Gesell Test or the Bayley Scales of Infant Development showed the following overall range: A normal or average test for I I of the 14 babies; a below average test, as far as development of intelligence is concerned, in one baby; and a high normal or high average intelligence in one baby. One normal baby, who is average in all other respects, showed poor language development at ages 23 and 33 months. Overall, the impression is that this group compares favorably with other children of similar age. 12

Footnotes 10.-12. Saul Blatman, in Proceedings, Third Methadone Conference, pp. 84-85.

In English it basically means that women coming off heroine become fertile again- as many exp. decrease in fertility (no doubt due to toxicity of heroine)....so that's not really the point. Women recovering from heroine addiction can't even remember that healthy women need birth control~ But they are raising children effectively???

This woman already lost 2 children...she is the reason you are at risk of losing yours (her 3rd)....Who is more important? Your son or your need to enable/defend his mother?

 

[Just Blue]

Mike, You are scum, your wife is scum and both of you should be ashamed of yourselves for putting your BABY through all that you have! Please do not do this to another child, go and get clipped...