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lisagr33

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casa said:
I have tattoos & enjoy the art that goes along with them...However, as a parent, I would never agree to a minor getting a tattoo. I would also never make a permanent change to my child's body without discussing it with their father.

Tattoos are permanent & when you are a teenager nothing is permanent. What you wear, what you like, who you "looooove" :rolleyes: Think back 20 years~ Are you the same person you were back then? :rolleyes:


I have tattoos and mine are hidden (on my shoulder blades). My children know I have them. However, until my children reach 18 or 21, depending on what age they are mature and adult enough to make their own decisions, they will not be getting a tattoo. My parents would have shot me if I had gotten a tattoo when I still lived with them. I hid them for a year before they found out (my parents are the old fashioned type). A 16 year old is not an adult. Dad has a right to freak out.
 


424Smudge

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With the child being older anyways would it have killed the OP to just tell the kid to hold their horses and get it when they were 18? 2 years at the most is all it would have been. He could have gotten it as an 18th birthday present.
 

casa

Senior Member
lisagr33 said:
I have tattoos and mine are hidden (on my shoulder blades). My children know I have them. However, until my children reach 18 or 21, depending on what age they are mature and adult enough to make their own decisions, they will not be getting a tattoo. My parents would have shot me if I had gotten a tattoo when I still lived with them. I hid them for a year before they found out (my parents are the old fashioned type). A 16 year old is not an adult. Dad has a right to freak out.

I agree...Not to mention there is an example being set by Mom re; ways around the rules/system. That's not necessarily my favorite example for teens. :cool:
 

rmet4nzkx

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sajoseph said:
Yes, the tattoo artist and business was thoroughly checked out by me first. All licanses were in proper order, inspections, as well as questioned and provided proof of sanitery conditions and sterilization techniques. I told you this was not a last minute thing, it was planned and thought out.
You intentionally disfigured your child's body, knowing his father's consent was required because of having joint legal custody. That is the legal status. Dad can and should bring your cotempt to the court's attention, especially since you are ignoring the gravity of your actions here. There is a reason you were given primary residential but joint legal custody, to protect the child's best interest, not to give into peer pressure. Your personal reference to tattoo your own body is not relevant to your and dad's duty to protect the child. If you went to such length's to check out the tattoo artist you could have also included dad in this process, including the discussion along with your child as to the ramificaitons of giving into peer pressure of all types.

I understand peoples reactions, but it seems most of the negative ones were made out of personal preference rather then a professional point of view-which is ok.
Again you are wrong, these were various members, some professional, some not re the word and implications of the law, it is not what you want to hear.
Things have settled down some around here.
That doesn't make what you did right or legal.
Dad has just decided not to contact any of us until he settles down.
IT is YOUR fault, why should he be the one to settle down, he has reason to be upset, hopefully he is using this time to get an attorney and take your discreetly tattooed a$$ to court!

As far as taking his car away, I never disagreed about that.
OH but his tattooed friends will mourn the loss of his car and together they'll brew up somehting to get even, that's what you want.

That side of the family are allowed to express their opinions, my son was aware of this from the beginning, and had expected punishment from his dad if he found out.
And it was YOUR responsibility to make sure you son was not put in that position by including dad in the tattoo issue before it became reality.
I cannot step in between that.
It was your DUTY to inform dad about the tattoo before sonnyboy got his tattoo, not a matter of stepping in between. This is TOTALLY YOUR fault, legally.

I was mainly worried that he could have done something leagl to me.
He can and should, don't think you are out of the woods.

I also saw another statement, that stated if I would not have allowed this, he would have gone elsewhere. TRUE! I hoped he would never, but the craze is tattoos amongst everyone in Florida. The younger the better. And ever single person at his school seems to have at least one tat now. They are acquiring them illegally at friends houses. Kids are buying the tattoo guns and ink and giving them to friends. I did not want this done, better to be safe then sorry.
None of that is relevant, if he got a tattoo without your permission, then it would have been YOUR duty to seek legal caharges against the person or persons who did that and inform dad of the tattoo.

I too have 6 tattoos, not one can be seen by anyone, all in good taste and hidden respectfully. I do not have a personal problem w/ tattoos, as long as they are within taste.
Not relevant

I had his future in mind the whole time. That is why it is hidden and in taste and were done in a safe and sterile manner.
No it was because you hoped dad would not see the tattoo until sonnboy was an adult, but since sonnyboy is a typical immature adolescent male he bragged about it.

His gramma has also forgiven him,
That is her job as a Grandmother, to love her grandchild unconditionally. I suspect her feelings toward you for disfiguring her grandchild are not so quickly changed!

and he does not regret getting it.
Of course not, you are teaching him valuable lessons in deceit and how to break the law and maybe get away with it.
He is a very responsible child, capable of making the tattoo decision, with my guidance.
No he is not acting as a responsible child because both of you failed to involve dad in the decision, which required the consent BEFORE from both parents.

Thank you for all your support.
This is not a support group and you don't have the support of the people at this board.

By the way, did not mean to insult anyone by making the comment regarding needing advice from someone with legal experience, but judging by the remarks made in the first few replies, people did not sound ethical enough to actually have legal experience, by stating personal feelings instead of a totally professional point of view.

And for the remark about getting a tattoo on my head-WTF was that for? I sure hope you don't consider yourself a professional...
You didn't like the correct advice you got, typical for someone in denial. Good luck in court.
 

CarrieT

Member
DelanaH said:
Personal Opinion but**************.I kinda understand the father being up set (I was very upset when my childs father had her cut really short ) when it was really long to start with.


Did anyone else catch this and have to supress a little giggle? :D

Carrie
 

sajoseph

Junior Member
Wow, alittle harsh there don't you think??? I plainly see that you morally disagree with what I have done, but do I really deserve to be slammed like this??? Please do not forget, you do not know me, my family or my ex husband, or any of our moral and ethical values. You do not know our pasts, or anything. Maybe I should have included the fact that his father is also a convicted felon for drug trafficking, I have made the unforgettable trip to Orlando at 2 a.m. to "rescue" my son from his father because he had gotten arrested snorting and selling cocaine to an undercover officer. Maybe I should have told you about the death threats his father was arrested for. He would call the child at 4 years of age and tell him her was coming to kill his mommy and baby brother that night. The $13000 I have spent on psychiatrists for my son at 5 years old, the $32000 I spent on the divorce, countless sleepless nights, making every single decision ever to be made about this boy. NEVER having a bit of support from his father. The hookers my son recognized from daddys house walking down the mall, I could go on and on. I figured I would leave all that out, and just ask a simple question. My son is responsible to make a decision about a tattoo. And proved that to me by being civil and choosing something reasonable, etc. But, again, someone who has not been there, and cannot be objective or impartial, decides he is behind a computer screen so I cannot see him, decides he is going to try to be big bad and bully-WOW! I did not deserve that. I am a professional and I sub-work for the government. I have always provided well for my family nd they have always come first. I am not a tattooed -up rocker who does not care if my son degrades his body. I made both of my children what they are today. One is 16, has a tattoo-getting a scholarship for college, works part time, respectful(yesma'am no ma'am) and a big soft hear who will do anything for his mommy, and a 13 year old who has the talent (and is a current star) to become a professional skateboarder, race car driver (as he races now) basketball player and baseball player. Both kids were raised extremly well. So do not judge me by a tattoo. I am not what your first impression was.
Besides, the paper I had notorized only contained ONE place for a parent signature, not two.
 

CarrieT

Member
seniorjudge said:
There is a major difference between an ear piercing (temporary) and a tattoo (permanent disfigurement).

I Agree!
What if it had been a sex change operation?? Would THAT have been discussed with the other parent? (principle being - it too is permanent)

Carrie
 

CarrieT

Member
sajoseph said:
Wow, alittle harsh there don't you think??? I plainly see that you morally disagree with what I have done, but do I really deserve to be slammed like this??? .

Rmets disagreement wasnt MORAL - it was LEGAL:

<< You intentionally disfigured your child's body, knowing his father's consent was required because of having joint legal custody. >>.

REQUIRED due to JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. Not optional.

Carrie
 

lisagr33

Member
CarrieT said:
Rmets disagreement wasnt MORAL - it was LEGAL:

<< You intentionally disfigured your child's body, knowing his father's consent was required because of having joint legal custody. >>.

REQUIRED due to JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. Not optional.

Carrie


I agree. The thing is she didn't like hearing that she messed up. She is willing to air dad's dirty laundry but not her own. She is a perfect little angel. :rolleyes: However, if she had just waited two years then she would not have to have been involved nor would the dad have pitched a fit because the child would have been 18. I think, IMO, that mom let son get the tattoo because dad bought son a car. No matter how discreet the tattoo was it was still wrong.
 

sajoseph

Junior Member
lisagr33 said:
I agree. The thing is she didn't like hearing that she messed up. She is willing to air dad's dirty laundry but not her own. She is a perfect little angel. :rolleyes: However, if she had just waited two years then she would not have to have been involved nor would the dad have pitched a fit because the child would have been 18. I think, IMO, that mom let son get the tattoo because dad bought son a car. No matter how discreet the tattoo was it was still wrong.
HAHAHAHAHA-Is that what you really think??You are such a funny little person :p The only reason I "aired out dads mess ups" is to give you a slightly better picture of what our family is like. Sometimes, and I have to admit, if I would have read MY post the first time, I would ASSUME this was a weird chick w/ tattoos, smokes 3 packs a day and pry rides a hog! I just wanted to clarify, this IS NOT THAT type of family asking fo =r advice.

My dirty laundry?? Not a bit of dirty laundry here. Not even a sock.

And I do not feel as if I messed up. I did not let him get the tattoo because dad bought him a car. I would have gladly bought him a car. I am glad dad bought him a car, it is the only thing he has ever done ;)

I have tried to keep things at an adult level. I have not been rude and obnoxious. The worst thing I am guilty of is coming here for a little advice, because there are so many people who cannot remove themselves from their own personal feelings. I have gotten advice that both I wanted to hear, and not wanted to hear. I respect those peoples opinions, however I do not think it is right to degrade someone and twist things out of proportion, over a simple question.
Don't some of you people realize when a person comes here to ask a legal question, they have enough going on in their lives at the moment, they do not need to be hated??? You and your forum is here to help, not chase people away. I have read many of your past responses on the search feature to other people, man, maybe you guys need some of the judges meds before answering!(j/k judge-from past reply!!!)

Anyway, thanks again, either way I think everyone and everything is going to be ok. I just have that feeling. Considering, I receive $43 a week child support from a man who has made over $85000 for the last 8 years!!! I have never raised it!! :confused: :o ;) ;)

:rolleyes: Hmmmm, that'd be ALOT of $$$$ in back pay he would owe me, wouldn't it???!!

No more arguing, thanks again. Good bye
 

nextwife

Senior Member
AS to the car, a parent is NOT required to provide a 16 year old a car. Even one who doesn't defy that parents wishes and goes out and gets a tatto behind that parent's back. Even the most rule-following, compliant, best behaved child is not "entitled" to a car.

Dad can yank that privilage if he wants to show his chiild that life is a two way street. If son doesn't respect dad enough to care what dad approves of, Dad doesn't need to respect Sonny enough to trust his judgement with a car.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
nextwife said:
AS to the car, a parent is NOT required to provide a 16 year old a car. Even one who doesn't defy that parents wishes and goes out and gets a tatto behind that parent's back. Even the most rule-following, compliant, best behaved child is not "entitled" to a car.

Dad can yank that privilage if he wants to show his chiild that life is a two way street. If son doesn't respect dad enough to care what dad approves of, Dad doesn't need to respect Sonny enough to trust his judgement with a car.

Assuming that son knew how dad felt about it beforehand....if not, then its just dad using it to punish mom.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
C'mon, betcha every 16 year old out there that actually spends time with their parent KNOWS how they feel about tatoos!

My kid is only 8, and she can tell you if we'd approve a tatoo. Do you actually believe that son chose to do this through mom, rather than dad, WITHOUT having a clue that dad would be against it?
 

lisagr33

Member
sajoseph said:
What is the name of your state?Florida
I have a 16 year old son. I have been primary parent since he was 2. His father and I share joint custody-which I say lightly because he has never been there. This past birthday, his father bought him a new car, gramma hired him to flip burgers for outrageous $$, etc. Like him becoming of age has made the family come out of the woodwork. I have always received court ordered child support, however minimal, and figured it be a waste of time to get it raised.
Last weekend, I gave my son permission to get a tattoo. This was something he had been contemplating for a long long time. We discussed places to get it, and how it could effect his future, cleanliness, good taste and inconspicous. I finally gave in, and he had his name in chinese tattood on his back. 3 symbols, each less then 1' in size. Well, he couldn't keep his mouth shut, and told everybody, and it got back to his dad. Last night he called, cussed, called names, made him cry, etc. Said he was coming to take his car(Which I do not care) but y problem is-he is threatening to take my son away, and he has ordered my son to never speak of my name again. So did his gramma. This is upsetting to him so much, he feels torn! Does his father have groud to stand on w/ this tattoo thing? I had the signed /notarized papers done, so it was legal

If you notice that nothing was ever said to dad with regards to the son's wishes to get a tattoo. If it was, then OP didn't say anything about that. However, the sentence bolded tells me that either dad didn't know or that dad knew and had voiced his disproval of it. The fact is that dad has the right to be mad.
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
nextwife said:
C'mon, betcha every 16 year old out there that actually spends time with their parent KNOWS how they feel about tatoos!

My kid is only 8, and she can tell you if we'd approve a tatoo. Do you actually believe that son chose to do this through mom, rather than dad, WITHOUT having a clue that dad would be against it?


really, I thought kids automatically asked the parent that would say no??? :rolleyes:
 
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