Tazers

[Wheresdalove]

Bjobjs,
I completely understand you about having misjudged this site. I dealt with a similar situation from another forum discussion. It would be best if individuals refrained from going off topic and insulting people with disgusting language. This site was created for intelligent individuals to discuss matters regarding the law not our own personal opinions. Don't let them run you off there are individuals that read the topics and answer with facts to the best of their ability.

 

[FlyingRon]

Of course the use of the taser is rapidly becoming casual. The use of a taser to "shut up" a prisoner already cuffed and locked in the back of a police car is bad enough, and then you get hormone-challenged idiots who inadvertantly use their glock when they meant to taze the guy makes it worse.

Tazing is a use of force, usually less lethal than a firearm, but tantamount to smacking the guy in the head with your night stick. An officer needs to decide if that is an appropriate use of force.

 

[bjobjs]

Thank you all for your help on this matter with the exception of

YOU ARE GUILTY.

I have to say that your responses seem to do nothing but invoke a person with empathy for you. You fail to get any of the facts correct when you respond. You have a tendency to let your imagination wander. One would have to question why you are even allowed to respond. I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this to your attention.

If I should write in the future with a question I would appreciate if you would please refrain from replying. You don't have any concept of the verity of facts and your desire to conjure up facts. Read your responses and my inquiries when your not under the influence of something and I'm sure you will understand but then again maybe not.

Once again, I thank all of you who took my question at face value and replied to it.

 

[CdwJava]

then you get hormone-challenged idiots who inadvertantly use their glock when they meant to taze the guy makes it worse.

I recall that happening only once - in Sacramento. Most agencies now mandate the carry of the Taser on the weak-hand side because of that incident.

Tazing is a use of force, usually less lethal than a firearm, but tantamount to smacking the guy in the head with your night stick.

Not the same at all. Striking someone in the head with a baton is never an acceptable use of force unless deadly force is an option for the threat at hand. Plus, striking someone with a baton is going to almost certainly result in some damage - the use of a Taser results in NO lasting effects.

- Carl

 

[FlyingRon]

Not the same at all. Striking someone in the head with a baton is never an acceptable use of force unless deadly force is an option for the threat at hand. Plus, striking someone with a baton is going to almost certainly result in some damage - the use of a Taser results in NO lasting effects.

- Carl

If you believe TI's bull****. However, that is far from the truth.

 

[You Are Guilty]

Thank you all for your help on this matter with the exception of

YOU ARE GUILTY.

I have to say that your responses seem to do nothing but invoke a person with empathy for you. You fail to get any of the facts correct when you respond. You have a tendency to let your imagination wander. One would have to question why you are even allowed to respond. I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this to your attention.

If I should write in the future with a question I would appreciate if you would please refrain from replying. You don't have any concept of the verity of facts and your desire to conjure up facts. Read your responses and my inquiries when your not under the influence of something and I'm sure you will understand but then again maybe not.

Once again, I thank all of you who took my question at face value and replied to it.

Dear Obtuse Poster:

Thank you for your kind words. I am overjoyed when people call attention to the fact that lowlifes tend to disagree with my comments. If you had the reading comprehension skills of a kumquat, you'd have recognized that nothing I said was incorrect. Simply because you have a problem with your perception of reality, lashing out at the world is not acceptable. Therefore, I accept your apology and will thank you for not posting any more comments on my thread.


(Incidentally, as for the reason why I'm "allowed" to post here, I'll give you one hint - it's initials are "JD").

 

[xylene]

I recall that happening only once - in Sacramento. Most agencies now mandate the carry of the Taser on the weak-hand side because of that incident.

Yeah, I recall that too.

You are quite right about the safety of the Tazer.

Tazers save lives.

It was the decision to protect a patrol car window at the expense of a human life that bothers me.

That and "mistook tazer for gun" well, we can believe what we like... I believe it was all lies

She shot him cause she was pissed that he had spit a nasty one in the face & repeated.

She shot a hog tied suspect in the neck.

Because "he was throwing his body against the window"



Can I just ask: What would have happened if the window had been broken?

 

[CdwJava]

If you believe TI's bull****. However, that is far from the truth.

Ah, really ... please, then, enlighten us where the medical and other research has not.

I suspect if there was credence to any of the naysaying arguments, Taser and the agencies that deploy them would have by now been sued into oblivion.

I have SEEN the effects of a taser and have seen the effects of being hit by a baton ... I'd reather be zapped for 5 seconds than smacked.

Oh yeah - I've been hit with the Taser as part of my training. I KNOW how it feels.

- Carl

 

[CdwJava]

Yeah, I recall that too.

You are quite right about the safety of the Tazer.

Tazers save lives.

It was the decision to protect a patrol car window at the expense of a human life that bothers me.

That and "mistook tazer for gun" well, we can believe what we like... I believe it was all lies

She shot him cause she was pissed that he had spit a nasty one in the face & repeated.

She shot a hog tied suspect in the neck.

Because "he was throwing his body against the window"



Can I just ask: What would have happened if the window had been broken?

No, it was an accident - she didn't shoot him intentionally.

She carried the Taser on her strong arm side, the M-26 taser was almost identical to the Glock she carried, and during the struggle when she went for the weapon she drew the wrong one. She certainly had no history of abuse or violence that would indicate that there was ANY reason to believe she opted to shoot anyone for this.

The Taser can also be used to "drive stun" someone like a stun gun - that was what she had intended to do with the device at the time. Unfortunately ...

And, yes, we sometimes DO use a Taser on people trying to kick out windows of cars. Doing that kind of damage can injure the suspect, the officer, and can cause moving vehicles to crash. I once had a suspect nearly kick my DOOR off its hinges! It was bent so out of whack that the whole driver's side had to be repaired, and I had to crawl out on the passenger side of the vehicle. Fortunately, the application of the Taser worked, and we managed to get him "hog tied" to the seat for the remainder of the journey ... which was very breezy.

It is a GREAT tool! Since my agency has carried them, we have not had to use our batons once. And, in Sacramento, the use of the Taser has brought down assaults on officers by something like 40%, and reduced use of force injuries inflicted by officers down by about half.

A baton will hurt someone a great deal ... chemical agents are unreliable ... a Taser works against most everyone.

- Carl

 

[bjobjs]

What a coincidence the area that this took place is in Sacramento County.

 

[VeronicaLodge]

why were you in the hospital?

 

[CdwJava]

What a coincidence the area that this took place is in Sacramento County.

Why is that?


- Carl

 

[brknhearted]

Plus, striking someone with a baton is going to almost certainly result in some damage - the use of a Taser results in NO lasting effects.

- Carl

Try telling that to my friend Pat Lee. Oh wait, you can't, he's dead. Don't believe it, just google "Patrick Lee" + "Taser Death". It was a brutal use of excessive force, he was tazed around 15 times.

 

[You Are Guilty]

Try telling that to my friend Pat Lee. Oh wait, you can't, he's dead. Don't believe it, just google "Patrick Lee" + "Taser Death". It was a brutal use of excessive force, he was tazed around 15 times.

Wasn't that the kid who was high on weed and LSD and whose autopsy report said the cause of death was unrelated to the taser? Probably not a good example to use here...

 

[brknhearted]

Wasn't that the kid who was high on weed and LSD and whose autopsy report said the cause of death was unrelated to the taser? Probably not a good example to use here...

Actually the autopsy report concluded that the death was a result of excited delirium. It happens all too often when Police result to excessive force on subjects who are in a delirious state of mind. I don't think that whether or not this is chemically induced delirium is something worth debating. FACT: He was tazed up to 19 times, when the manufacture of these tazers warn against this type of excessive use. What I see are overweight, under trained officers using these devices zealously when maybe they should cut out the donuts, amp up the PT and pay attention in their training classes.