Teacher problem, California

[Ukiah]

CALIFORNIA

My 8 yo daughter who is in 3rd grade, is a very good student, high grades. She has never had a problem with any teachers, until this year. She has two teachers, who combine their classes (for a total of 40-45 students). Her teacher is married to the other one, and is a nice man. His wife on the other hand is very strict, never has encouraging words for my child, and continually harps on her. She does daydream, we've been working on this and has improved. All year I've heard nothing but "she's doing well, but..." And when we had the parent/ teacher conference, they said she was getting high grades and G.A.T.E. wanted her to test for their academic programs for gifted children (a program for children with excellerated learning skills). Upon hearing about this from her teachers, they also kept repeating that they don't understand why she would be accepted into their program (because she daydreams, and gets frustrated when harped on). Then they turned to "maybe she's A.D.D." and we could have her tested

The problem is this:
One day, my daughter misplaced her lunch money, the teacher helped her look for 5 minutes, then argued with my daughter about leaving the classroom. The teacher told me she had to PHYSICALLY drag my daughter out of the classroom.

(I tried several times to get through to the teacher that my daughter gets yelled at for everything - by her father and step-mother. They called me mad one night asking where my daughter's earrings were. And complained about not having socks (they get 250.00 from me a month -and they dont have socks???? which IS beside the point, but shows how trivial they are)

What I need to know is what right does this teacher have putting her hands on MY child? and where are these laws found? What can I do to prevent it?

Can CP be held responsible for not taking action & interest in her schooling??

I did let her know that I do not want anyone putting their hands on MY daughter. But I feel I need to back up my words with laws.

I am a little over zealous when it comes to my child, but am I wrong??? If I don't stand up and protect her (and her interests) who will? Not her father, he's only interested in the money her receives from me each month!!!)
Thank all who give any encouraging responses (and the like)

Ukiah

 

[D. D. Lessenberry]

Try searching "Education, Department of" on the STATE OF CALIFORNIA OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

I am not quite clear on why the teacher felt he/she had to restrain your child, but in Pennsylvania a teacher has reasonable use of force to intervene where there may be a danger to your child or another, including other children, faculty, staff. Was child running out of the room when told not to or something.

My daughter forgot her lunch one day (she is 8) and simply wasn't allowed to eat. This is a non-public school.

Have you asked for a meeting with the teachers? Phone calls or notes are first steps.

Why does the school district allow married couples to team teach? Is this supposed to be cute?

Good luck to you. I hope a real lawyer replies.

Let meknow what happened

 

[Ukiah]

Try searching "Education, Department of" on the STATE OF CALIFORNIA OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

I am not quite clear on why the teacher felt he/she had to restrain your child, but in Pennsylvania a teacher has reasonable use of force to intervene where there may be a danger to your child or another, including other children, faculty, staff. Was child running out of the room when told not to or something.

My daughter forgot her lunch one day (she is 8) and simply wasn't allowed to eat. This is a non-public school.

Have you asked for a meeting with the teachers? Phone calls or notes are first steps.

Why does the school district allow married couples to team teach? Is this supposed to be cute?

Good luck to you. I hope a real lawyer replies.

Let meknow what happened

The teacher stated that my daughter refused to leave the room until she found the money, this is why she forcfully pulled her out of the room.

You lost me on the "team teaching by parents" Her father is the CP, has very little to do with her, loves the money he gets from me every month, and isn't involved in her schooling. He has made it clear that the strict teacher is good for our child. Which I am against (since seeing the teacher and my daughter interact with each other. My feeling is that She IS the adult, and is responsible for finding a way to HELP my child. WITH the given information by me. Regardless, I need to find the laws pertaining to teacher's rights and non-rights. I need to be prepared when I do go into our meeting after the holidays. I have already reserved my rights under the california codes in writing to the school, as well as acess to any and all information involving my daughter.

I thank you very much for your insight, and advice. I will look into what you have given me.

If anyone else has more advice for us, please help. I want only the best for my daughter, and by having a teacher who is not willing to listen, only hurts the child.

Thanks,
Ukiah

 

[LadyBlu]

Try searching "Education, Department of" on the STATE OF CALIFORNIA OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

I am not quite clear on why the teacher felt he/she had to restrain your child, but in Pennsylvania a teacher has reasonable use of force to intervene where there may be a danger to your child or another, including other children, faculty, staff. Was child running out of the room when told not to or something.

My daughter forgot her lunch one day (she is 8) and simply wasn't allowed to eat. This is a non-public school.

Have you asked for a meeting with the teachers? Phone calls or notes are first steps.

Why does the school district allow married couples to team teach? Is this supposed to be cute?

Good luck to you. I hope a real lawyer replies.

Let meknow what happened

The teacher stated that my daughter refused to leave the room until she found the money, this is why she forcfully pulled her out of the room.

You lost me on the "team teaching by parents" Her father is the CP, has very little to do with her, loves the money he gets from me every month, and isn't involved in her schooling. He has made it clear that the strict teacher is good for our child. Which I am against (since seeing the teacher and my daughter interact with each other. My feeling is that She IS the adult, and is responsible for finding a way to HELP my child. WITH the given information by me. Regardless, I need to find the laws pertaining to teacher's rights and non-rights. I need to be prepared when I do go into our meeting after the holidays. I have already reserved my rights under the california codes in writing to the school, as well as acess to any and all information involving my daughter.

I thank you very much for your insight, and advice. I will look into what you have given me.

If anyone else has more advice for us, please help. I want only the best for my daughter, and by having a teacher who is not willing to listen, only hurts the child.

Thanks,
Ukiah

Where have you been lately Ukiah? I have been wondering about you for weeks.

I am sorry to hear about your problems with your child's teacher. I am basically going through the same thing, they are wanting me to have my daughter tested for ADD/ADHD, they have the TAAS testing here the kids have to pass every year , then every couple of years to get promoted. Well my 8 yr old missed alot of the simple math problems on the practice test, but answered the prealgebra ones that were thrown in just for fun.. the kicker is she worked the problems out and answered them correctly. So I have been in a very nice way trying to make the teacher realize that what is happening is a result of boredom. My daughter catches on to things quickly and has to sit and wait patiently while the teacher assists the slower children and she gets bored. So she doesnt apply herself.

As for the forcing the child out of the classroom.. I do not think that is allowed unless as DD has stated it is to keep a child from hurting her/himself, or others.

I will try to look up the California Educational websites for you and post them later.

 

[LadyBlu]

http://www.calregs.com/cgi-bin/om_i...40733&infobase=ccr&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg42

Check this site out and see if there is anything there that can be of assistance.



If not you can contct the CDE thru this site:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/


Good Luck

 

[Ukiah]

Wow! Someone missed me??

Hi Ladyblu,

I have been so busy with learning my Calif Codes and looking up other information that I have forgotten to check in... This site is a little more confusing now than before. But if it helps to minimize posting the same questions over and over again, then I guess it's good.

Anyways, back to the topic...

My daughter wasn't going to hurt herself, or anyone else, she was adamant about finding the money and got frustrated, started crying and refused to leave the room until the teacher compromised with her. The teacher doesn't understand that my daughter gets yelled at for every little thing by her father and his wife. I have tried to explain this before without success. If I put something in writing as to what goes on at their house, I'm afraid it will come back on not only me but my daughter, as her father will spank her or worse. Then he'll use her as a pawn to get back at me, and the problems start again, I go into depression, and as usual he "wins".

As far as the ADD is concerned, I am against her being tested, due to the school system being given money for every child who is put on prozac, after being tested whether the child is ADD or not. I know she isn't ADD. She is like your daughter, she is not being challenged and has to wait while the other 40-45 students are receiving the necessary attention one teacher can give. So yeah, she daydreams, while waiting. She also bites her nails (which the teacher says is a sign-I doubt it). Because of the "crap" she has been put through, and still goes thru with her P.O.S. father & SM, she is nervous and afraid of anyone who speaks to her harshly.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place concerning my daughter right now... So many things going on that I don't even know where to begin. I have no help, no one to stand by me, I'm doing this all alone! I am losing my hair trying to learn everything I possibly can while being out of work, waiting for the in-laws to tear down this house so they can build a new one, worrying about my daughter being left alone with the 'evil SM' while "dad" is not even at home three to four days a week (he stays at his in-laws, while going to school). On top of making my list (and checking it twice ), keeping records, and trying to decide what school I can go to for a career change. All the while, trying to make myself and my daughter have a more positive outlook on everything and trying to figure out ways to improve her self-esteem (and mine).

ARG!!


Thank you to all who read this , and allowed me to vent! I feel a little better (I have noticed that my typing has improved somewhat as well).

Thank you ladyblu, I will check out the site you have listed. Thanks for wondering where i have been.

Ukiah

 

[D. D. Lessenberry]

have tried to respond

Three times I have keyboarded here that I said


married couples team teach


not

parents team teach.



i ended up quoting muy own quote.

in pa some districts won't even let married couples work in the same school or building.


good luck to you

 

[Ukiah]

Re: have tried to respond

Three times I have keyboarded here that I said


married couples team teach


not

parents team teach.



i ended up quoting muy own quote.

in pa some districts won't even let married couples work in the same school or building.


good luck to you

DUH!! I get it now, I had to go back and look at it a little slower (i have so much on my mind that I didn't read it right!!) I don't think that the two teachers should combine their classes. The children are third graders, and it is confusing for them to one year be in one class all day with one teacher, then the next, to go to two teachers who have combined thier classes, then go back to one teacher all day... I can see why my daughter is having a problem.

I will be checking out the site you suggested as soon as I get off this site. Thanks DD

 

[LadyBlu]

Re: Wow! Someone missed me??

Hi Ladyblu,

I have been so busy with learning my Calif Codes and looking up other information that I have forgotten to check in... This site is a little more confusing now than before. But if it helps to minimize posting the same questions over and over again, then I guess it's good.

Anyways, back to the topic...

My daughter wasn't going to hurt herself, or anyone else, she was adamant about finding the money and got frustrated, started crying and refused to leave the room until the teacher compromised with her. The teacher doesn't understand that my daughter gets yelled at for every little thing by her father and his wife. I have tried to explain this before without success. If I put something in writing as to what goes on at their house, I'm afraid it will come back on not only me but my daughter, as her father will spank her or worse. Then he'll use her as a pawn to get back at me, and the problems start again, I go into depression, and as usual he "wins".

As far as the ADD is concerned, I am against her being tested, due to the school system being given money for every child who is put on prozac, after being tested whether the child is ADD or not. I know she isn't ADD. She is like your daughter, she is not being challenged and has to wait while the other 40-45 students are receiving the necessary attention one teacher can give. So yeah, she daydreams, while waiting. She also bites her nails (which the teacher says is a sign-I doubt it). Because of the "crap" she has been put through, and still goes thru with her P.O.S. father & SM, she is nervous and afraid of anyone who speaks to her harshly.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place concerning my daughter right now... So many things going on that I don't even know where to begin. I have no help, no one to stand by me, I'm doing this all alone! I am losing my hair trying to learn everything I possibly can while being out of work, waiting for the in-laws to tear down this house so they can build a new one, worrying about my daughter being left alone with the 'evil SM' while "dad" is not even at home three to four days a week (he stays at his in-laws, while going to school). On top of making my list (and checking it twice ), keeping records, and trying to decide what school I can go to for a career change. All the while, trying to make myself and my daughter have a more positive outlook on everything and trying to figure out ways to improve her self-esteem (and mine).

ARG!!


Thank you to all who read this , and allowed me to vent! I feel a little better (I have noticed that my typing has improved somewhat as well).

Thank you ladyblu, I will check out the site you have listed. Thanks for wondering where i have been.

Ukiah

I am glad to hear you re going to pursue a carrer change...*S* ever thought of studying to become a paralegal? Not as much pay as the atty and more work, but can be used to pursue other legal fields later also.

I have been so busy trying to keep up with the new boards, this is crazy.. not easier.. and then that JamieT person.. arrrggghhhhh, dont know why she wont find somewhere else to go, she is now posting as smokeybear.. I knew something was familiar with his(her) postings and finally put myfinger on it, smokeybear became a member the day after I snagged her on her previous alias, and the constant barrage of questions, only during the week, the Dayton Ohio, the *cheese maker* as type of work.. she is a nut case.. last month she was saying the baby had a pubic hair in her diaper, now she is pursuing help by reason of smoking in the childs presence.. the woman is a nut...

so glad you dont have to worry about her, wish I didnt let her get to me like she does..

 

[Ukiah]

Some People!

I am glad to hear you re going to pursue a carrer change...*S* ever thought of studying to become a paralegal? Not as much pay as the atty and more work, but can be used to pursue other legal fields later also.

I have been so busy trying to keep up with the new boards, this is crazy.. not easier.. and then that JamieT person.. arrrggghhhhh, dont know why she wont find somewhere else to go, she is now posting as smokeybear.. I knew something was familiar with his(her) postings and finally put myfinger on it, smokeybear became a member the day after I snagged her on her previous alias, and the constant barrage of questions, only during the week, the Dayton Ohio, the *cheese maker* as type of work.. she is a nut case.. last month she was saying the baby had a pubic hair in her diaper, now she is pursuing help by reason of smoking in the childs presence.. the woman is a nut...

so glad you dont have to worry about her, wish I didnt let her get to me like she does.. [/B][/QUOTE]


You know? I am going into the legal field, unfortunatly, I have to start at the bottom, but, at least it's a start. I figured that if I'm learning the laws, I may as well make a career out of it, and learn everything I can while doing it.

I did read smokeybear's post yesterday, I thought that it was someone being a little too worrysome (is that a word?). Though I do sympathise with the children in the fact that they probably have to deal with her on a daily basis, (and we don't).

You shouldn't let her (it) get to you. Otherwise she "wins" at the annoyance game. What you should do when you discover her is post a reply warning everyone of who it is.

Anyways, how have you doing lately? Better than me I hope. I'm practically bald right now with all this crap on my plate. It's been a awhile since I've been here, how is Stenny? What did jennifa have? A boy ? A girl?

I checked out the sites you suggested, I found some very usefull info on them. I'm going to be writing up a LONG letter to the teacher(s) and principal later today.

Thanks again!
Ukiah