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Update and Question re: supervised visitation

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gr8rn

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I take it that the Grandfather (supervisor) was not among the group that Dad was living with when the burn occurred?
 
Then that has already been ruled out as a possible cause?

"Zithromax side effects...serious...
...fever, sore throat, and headache with a severe blistering, peeling, and red skin rash."

Zithromax (azithromycin) Information from Drugs.com

Yes, it has been ruled out. According to the physicians in court, the severe and profound erosion of skin, combined with the stark, geometric borders eliminate the diagnosis of "rash" or diaper dermatitis. They said it is with a high degree of medical certainty this was a burn. They additionally said if it were from antibiotics or an ingested product, the baby would have had diarrhea while he was on the medication, or even at the time of the burn, but he did not.
 

gr8rn

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He was technically living with him, but he wasn't home that night and had no contact with the baby that evening or overnight.

Has Dad given you an accounting of what was done with your baby that night and who did what? Did someone give the baby a bath that night?
 

jbowman

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Question: burn or allergy, what real difference does it make if the fact remains that the father did NOTHING about either?
Can we imagine the pain this child was in regardless of the cause? And dad did nothing?
Im confused with the "something is off" thinking that is going on here because the only thing Off to me is that there is a father that sees that his child has suffered in some manner and does freakin nothing. As a mother, heck yeah, I would do everything in my power to prevent this from happening again because that IS MY JOB as this childs mother and I could give a crap about anyone's little old feelings being hurt.
 
Has Dad given you an accounting of what was done with your baby that night and who did what? Did someone give the baby a bath that night?

Dad said no one gave the baby a bath and that the baby had diaper rash medication (the same as always) applied to his butt before bed at 8:00 pm. Said when he awoke at 2 - he found this mess. It just "appeared!"
 
Question: burn or allergy, what real difference does it make if the fact remains that the father did NOTHING about either?
Can we imagine the pain this child was in regardless of the cause? And dad did nothing?
Im confused with the "something is off" thinking that is going on here because the only thing Off to me is that there is a father that sees that his child has suffered in some manner and does freakin nothing. As a mother, heck yeah, I would do everything in my power to prevent this from happening again because that IS MY JOB as this childs mother and I could give a crap about anyone's little old feelings being hurt.

This is EXACTLY what the judge said to Dad. She said, looking at the pictures, that the baby CLEARLY suffered and was clearly seriously injured and must have been in agonizing pain. She said "the pictures rip the hearts out of everyone in the court room."

Dad did nothing to treat the baby. No call to the MD, no trip to the hospital. Let him sit with serious, acute injuries from 2:00 am until 2:00 pm and sought no medical care for him. She said her job is to make sure that the baby will not have to go through something like this again. And as his Mom, that is all I care about.

I know Dad hates me and thinks this is all "my doing" - he said so to everyone. That is why the judge told him "Mom didn't throw you under the bus or do anything wrong here. This happened on your watch." But, alas, Dad's feelings don't matter and I don't really give a damn that he hates me.

If my (our) son never has to go through ANYTHING like that again, that is all I care about. No baby should have to deal with the pain he did, and hopefully the judges actions/requirements for supervised visitation, and that Dad take the DSS parenting services will keep the little man from enduring anything similar - EVER.
 

LdiJ

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This is EXACTLY what the judge said to Dad. She said, looking at the pictures, that the baby CLEARLY suffered and was clearly seriously injured and must have been in agonizing pain. She said "the pictures rip the hearts out of everyone in the court room."

Dad did nothing to treat the baby. No call to the MD, no trip to the hospital. Let him sit with serious, acute injuries from 2:00 am until 2:00 pm and sought no medical care for him. She said her job is to make sure that the baby will not have to go through something like this again. And as his Mom, that is all I care about.

I know Dad hates me and thinks this is all "my doing" - he said so to everyone. That is why the judge told him "Mom didn't throw you under the bus or do anything wrong here. This happened on your watch." But, alas, Dad's feelings don't matter and I don't really give a damn that he hates me.

If my (our) son never has to go through ANYTHING like that again, that is all I care about. No baby should have to deal with the pain he did, and hopefully the judges actions/requirements for supervised visitation, and that Dad take the DSS parenting services will keep the little man from enduring anything similar - EVER.

I think it sounds like Grandpa will take the supervision seriously. He is not going to want to be responsible for anything like that happening again.
 
This is EXACTLY what the judge said to Dad. She said, looking at the pictures, that the baby CLEARLY suffered and was clearly seriously injured and must have been in agonizing pain. She said "the pictures rip the hearts out of everyone in the court room."

Dad did nothing to treat the baby. No call to the MD, no trip to the hospital. Let him sit with serious, acute injuries from 2:00 am until 2:00 pm and sought no medical care for him. She said her job is to make sure that the baby will not have to go through something like this again. And as his Mom, that is all I care about.

I know Dad hates me and thinks this is all "my doing" - he said so to everyone. That is why the judge told him "Mom didn't throw you under the bus or do anything wrong here. This happened on your watch." But, alas, Dad's feelings don't matter and I don't really give a damn that he hates me.

If my (our) son never has to go through ANYTHING like that again, that is all I care about. No baby should have to deal with the pain he did, and hopefully the judges actions/requirements for supervised visitation, and that Dad take the DSS parenting services will keep the little man from enduring anything similar - EVER.

Even if Dad didn't cause the issue, like jbowman said, he did NOTHING. How he can think that is okay, whether it was intentional harm to the baby or not, is just mind boggling. How is it YOUR fault that HE didn't seek medical care?
 

MichaCA

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It says a lot about dad that he says "its all your doing". That is the most disconcerting thing to me. At least have the &&&&s to fess up that the child was seriously injured and it was WRONG to not have had baby treated as an emergency.

I know its off track. Does dad party? You say others live in the house. Could he have passed out, baby still up, and someone chose to play parent and give the child a bath? Did the doctors say its possible for scalding water to have caused these burns?
 

LdiJ

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It says a lot about dad that he says "its all your doing". That is the most disconcerting thing to me. At least have the &&&&s to fess up that the child was seriously injured and it was WRONG to not have had baby treated as an emergency.

I know its off track. Does dad party? You say others live in the house. Could he have passed out, baby still up, and someone chose to play parent and give the child a bath? Did the doctors say its possible for scalding water to have caused these burns?

I am kind of guessing that somebody accidentally used a cleaning wipe (like a Clorox wipe) on the baby instead of a baby wipe. I could be totally wrong, but I have kind of suspected that all along.
 
It says a lot about dad that he says "its all your doing". That is the most disconcerting thing to me. At least have the &&&&s to fess up that the child was seriously injured and it was WRONG to not have had baby treated as an emergency.

I know its off track. Does dad party? You say others live in the house. Could he have passed out, baby still up, and someone chose to play parent and give the child a bath? Did the doctors say its possible for scalding water to have caused these burns?

They listed scalding water as the #1 possibility. When pressed for an alternate cause on the stand, the MD said it would have to be a caustic substance that was applied to the skin...not like a diaper rash because he said even when children sit in "acid diarrhea" (which the baby did NOT have) for HOURS they don't have the kind of skin erosion the baby had and you don't have the kind of peeling and blistering of the skin the baby had, along with the geometric borders.

Dad doesn't usually party at home, but is known to go out and have drinks with his Officer friends. I have suspected all along that Dad wasn't home that night, or had been drinking and doesn't necessarily remember that night clearly. Dad had always sent a text message telling me the baby was down for the night, and that night he didn't sent the usual message, or respond when I asked if the baby went down ok. So, for me, something seemed off that night. He denies that anything went on, with anyone. He denies that someone else could have done ANYTHING with the baby. Basically "I don't know" is his story and he's sticking to it!

It is VERY concerning and that he sees this as my fault, and the judge spent 30 minutes talking about how he needs to take responsibility, how this is not my fault, so on and so forth. But, alas, it hasn't made any difference. Parenting time exchanges are very tense and very uncomfortable, as Dad really won't speak to me but...baby is safer and that's what counts.
 
I am very sorry to hear kiddo was hurt but am glad to hear the courts and CPS did their job and that kiddo will be safe at this time. Just focus on keeping him healthy and happy, the rest take in stride and deal with a day at a time.
 
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