Family trip

[Antigone*]

If Y'all want to come stay with me in California, you can all enjoy 75 degrees and sunny

I've got a couple spare rooms!!!

 

[Radia]

No judge is going to ding you for not allowing grandparents to take a child that young out of state during the middle of divorce proceedings, even if the other parent wants you to do so.

I am also disappointed that you got legally incorrect answers previously.

Never EVER say "no judge" because I assure you that there are judges out there somewhere that will..

 

[Proserpina]

If Y'all want to come stay with me in California, you can all enjoy 75 degrees and sunny

I've got a couple spare rooms!!!

I can be there in what...wait, I'm almost in Canada.

But at least we're not in Fargo! ("cold" is when you pray for the temps to get above zero and when -10 is actually almost..nice)

 

[Proserpina]

OP, look.

You have indicated elsewhere that you just don't want Dad to have the same parental rights as you and that you'd prefer for him to have supervised visitation only. If I recall correctly the reasons you gave are, as a rule, not enough to warrant supervised visitation. So with that in mind...

For exactly how long would kiddo be gone?

 

[Isis1]

personally, telling grandparents no, would be for the SOLE reason that I WANT TO BE THE PARENT THAT TAKES my kiddo to disneyland for the first time. will the child remember? no. but me, as the parent, will.

i'm still tickered at my sister for taking my 12 year old, then 3 year old to disneyland first. i missed his first mexican hat dance tantrum . took my 8 year old, then 1 year old to disneyland for his first time. loved it. i even managed to escape with pictures. love that smile. the husband took us all to disneyland for the almost 3 year old's first birthday. and the almost 2 year old. we've probably been to disneyland at least 15 times in the last year alone. and we'll be going again this friday for almost 3 year old's 3rd birthday. .

Step, look at it this way. saying yes, makes you come across as a saint. always pick the choice that makes you shine.

 

[Nevergrowup]

Sorry, have to scoff here.... 20*? 50*? that would be a current heat wave! Brings to mind Grumpy Old Men.... its a balmy 9* without windchill... bringing the temp down to -12* and looking like its going to stay that way.
Rainy and cold at DisneyWorld with a 16 month old? You're kidding right? What possible fun would that be? On top of which, naps interferring with fun time, right? So Grandparents bring kiddo to DisneyWorld.... get up in the morning, eat breakfast... get kiddo and themselves dressed for the day, time for lunch... then nap... and you get what? 2 hours of 'fun' time in? Where would that be a trip worth taking? I wouldn't want to tackle DisneyWorld even with a 3 year old....

We are also having a heat wave at 5 degrees.

I actually plan Disney trips for a living...my youngest was 17 months old and is 4 now and still remembers that first trip...at least pieces (probably enhanced memories via photographs). But I tell you, I still remember tearing up when she and Minnie rubbed noses

My 4 year old has also been about 10 times because of what I do. If you plan it right, and planning is key to any successful Disney trip, there is a great lot you can do with a child that young at Disney. I have thousands of pictures and hundreds of clients that would agree You just have to plan it correctly and be prepared.

Having said that, in OPs case I don't think she is wrong for not wanting the grandparents to take the 16 month old out of state to a venue like that. My husband and I are together and neither of us would allow either set of grandparents to take out little one.

 

[Hisbabygirl77]

I would defend my answer but OG has done so quite well without me. OG picked up on the sentence that sent me off. This OP thinks she can refuse visitation until the divorce is final and that is ok. They are married and have EQUAL say in this childs life.

Now before I say this, I know what most of you senior members are going to say, especially OHIOGAL.....but, my in-laws are in town and are staying with my husband. They are going to Florida on Sunday

This is also why I stated it could look bad by her wording it seemed to me that not just the grandparents would be going to disney but ALSO the FATHER would be going as well. THUS she is refusing child to be with daddy as well.

For BOTH of those reason NO I WAS NOT INCORRECT and no I was not giving my advice solely on OPs history on this site. It was correct and I stand by it. Of course I expect nothing less for LDIJ to argue it because well it wouldnt be a post if she wasnt arguing.

 

[Ohiogal]

I would defend my answer but OG has done so quite well without me. OG picked up on the sentence that sent me off. This OP thinks she can refuse visitation until the divorce is final and that is ok. They are married and have EQUAL say in this childs life.



This is also why I stated it could look bad by her wording it seemed to me that not just the grandparents would be going to disney but ALSO the FATHER would be going as well. THUS she is refusing child to be with daddy as well.

For BOTH of those reason NO I WAS NOT INCORRECT and no I was not giving my advice solely on OPs history on this site. It was correct and I stand by it. Of course I expect nothing less for LDIJ to argue it because well it wouldnt be a post if she wasnt arguing.

But apparently S4E doesn't believe daddy has a right to do anything. notice she hasn't posted back since her first post? If dad wants the child going to Disney, S4E doesn't have a right to stop dad from taking the child to Disney.

And yes I stick by what I said. IT CAN BITE HER HARD.

 

[Hisbabygirl77]

But apparently S4E doesn't believe daddy has a right to do anything. notice she hasn't posted back since her first post? If dad wants the child going to Disney, S4E doesn't have a right to stop dad from taking the child to Disney.

And yes I stick by what I said. IT CAN BITE HER HARD.

I competely agree but apparently what do I know

 

[Ohiogal]

I competely agree but apparently what do I know

Hey, I am only an attorney. It means nothing.

 

[profmum]

Not true, legally if there are no orders in place she can prevent Dad from taking the child (if the child is in her possession) just as Dad can choose not to return the child to her if the child is in her possession. How the courts may perceive these actions is anybody's guess..

 

[profmum]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Ga

I dont want to give visitation until divorce is finalized.

Now this attitude will most likely come to bite you in the ass!

 

[LdiJ]

Not true, legally if there are no orders in place she can prevent Dad from taking the child (if the child is in her possession) just as Dad can choose not to return the child to her if the child is in her possession. How the courts may perceive these actions is anybody's guess..

Absolutely true.

Of course, in this instance (assuming that we all understand things correctly) its a case of grandparents wanting to take a 16 month old out of state during the pendency of a divorce.

I think its a no brainer.

 

[Ohiogal]

Absolutely true.

Of course, in this instance (assuming that we all understand things correctly) its a case of grandparents wanting to take a 16 month old out of state during the pendency of a divorce.

I think its a no brainer.

For you, yes it would be a no brainer. Especially since you have GIVEN NO PROOF, CASE LAW OR ANYTHING to back it up. Instead if you are disagreed with you do nothing but say everyone else is wrong or counsel people off line -- surprised you haven't resorted to that here. Quite frankly it can hurt her. WE ALL UNDERSTAND? Sorry but it could be dad taking the child with the grandparents. And S4E hasn't vcome back to state.

She is taking a risk. her attitude can very well sink her.

 

[Ohiogal]

Not true, legally if there are no orders in place she can prevent Dad from taking the child (if the child is in her possession) just as Dad can choose not to return the child to her if the child is in her possession. How the courts may perceive these actions is anybody's guess..

I have seen courts CRUCIFY parents for pulling that stunt. Do you really want to encourage OP to do something that could torpedo her chances of custody? Apparently you do.

HOWEVER, you are the one saying none of us are giving her any advice because of her history. You and LD's advice could harm her the most. A judge is more likely to applaud a parent who is cooperating, coparenting and thinking of the child first by being generous and able to work with the parent. OP is NOT doing that. Again, she doesn't want to give visitation at all. I am sure you agree with idea as well.

Now, back up what you have said. Because quite frankly I am tired of pursuing case law/statute and everything else while certain members run there mouth with NOTHING to back it up -- even when asked to find something. Even when asked to prove me wrong. Can you do it? Because the law requires a CP to facilitate the relationship between the NCP and the child. How are the actions here doing that? OH she is not. Should we go down the best interest standards for S4E's state? They would back up what I am saying about S4E should cooperate with dad and throw him a bone. In othre words she could be the more mature person. Instead, you and LD want to jump on the bandwagon of don't do anything without a court order.