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Heres the thing. This man has RECENTLY gotten involved in my business going to my sons school and talking bad about me to the teachers calling me and cussing at me with my son sitting right next to him when he has never met me. I offered to meet up with both of them and sit down and talk they said no. This guy has done some pretty bad things....Actually how about you read everything before you start telling me how bad I am for talking about this guy. He is 50 years old he should know to mind his own business by now and his 3 children were all taken from him at 3 different times how would feel with your child being with someone who isn't even allowed around their own children or do you even have a child? If he had never bothered me I wouldn't even know his name. If my son wasn't terrified of going to their home I wouldn't be concerned. I have no reason to hide behind anything. I haven't done anything to this man I've never been to his home. When I was on probation he called my Probation officer and told them lies about me going to his home and doing such and such which was not true I've never stepped foot on his property. I'm trying to get help not hear about how bad I am for posting someones background on the internet where it originally came from in the first place.
 
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I find it quite interesting that you admit to all these horrible things, robbery, drugs, going to jail, all this is RECENT, and you copy and paste this old guys record of, not wearing his seatbelt, and criminal charges from 20+ years ago!!! You put his name on a public forum and trash HIM by name, and you hide behind your anonymous username!

Pot, meet kettle. And all that.

Me talking about my history should show that I'm not hiding.
 
I need to apologize but I just don't think your seeing the big picture. Yes I was doing bad my last arrest was actually in 2007 so it's been awhile for me too and me saying I've been clean 3 years now that I think of it it's been longer. It was November 2007 when I stopped. I've been losing track of time I usually forget that I'm 24 and think I'm 21 at times. I'm trying to get help and maybe you were trying to give me some constructive criticism and maybe thats necessary but why do I feel like everyone here is trying to tell me that I am wrong and everyone out here tells me I'm right. I know you might think "well what if they are just saying that" and thats because these same people teachers, counselor, doctor, friends, sons mothers friends are all willing to support me in court. There is nobody that deals with both of us that started out neutral that is taking her side. Just like they used to tell me "the whole world is wrong and you are right" now thats not me that they are saying this to. Would you not be upset if your childs parent left your child with someone the first week they met them while they work and that person being someone who is not allowed to have their own children? Your child begs you not to send them back to this persons home. Your friends telling you they see this person selling drugs 10 miles down the road in the next town over. It bothers me. I'm sorry.
 

Isis1

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I need to apologize but I just don't think your seeing the big picture. Yes I was doing bad my last arrest was actually in 2007 so it's been awhile for me too and me saying I've been clean 3 years now that I think of it it's been longer. It was November 2007 when I stopped. I've been losing track of time I usually forget that I'm 24 and think I'm 21 at times. I'm trying to get help and maybe you were trying to give me some constructive criticism and maybe thats necessary but why do I feel like everyone here is trying to tell me that I am wrong and everyone out here tells me I'm right. I know you might think "well what if they are just saying that" and thats because these same people teachers, counselor, doctor, friends, sons mothers friends are all willing to support me in court. There is nobody that deals with both of us that started out neutral that is taking her side. Just like they used to tell me "the whole world is wrong and you are right" now thats not me that they are saying this to. Would you not be upset if your childs parent left your child with someone the first week they met them while they work and that person being someone who is not allowed to have their own children? Your child begs you not to send them back to this persons home. Your friends telling you they see this person selling drugs 10 miles down the road in the next town over. It bothers me. I'm sorry.

i want to help you. let me show what happened. i saw this with my own eyes. you got baited. you got yourself all riled up being defensive. THAT is exactly what mom is doing to you. and you fall for it. each and EVERY time. stop being defensive so you can be receptive.


i don't want you to do this to yourself in court. it's a bad precedent. let's start over. stop pointing fingers. just let that go.

so let's move forward. from this point forward, you have no criminal record which i will bring up. mom has no criminal record of which i will bring up. her boyfriend has no criminal record of which i will bring up. you are not moving to get mom's rights terminated.

so shall we begin again? the important points?
 
I understand you want to help me also I wasn't directing those posts at you that guy told me how bad I am for talking about her boyfriend.

Ok that sounds good and yes I have a problem when I feel attacked I get defensive if I don't know the person and if it's her I quickly move to the offensive in court which I know isn't good but she just lies and lies the judge always catches her but still to me thats not the point.

OK so I want my son in this school. I want his medications. We've been back for contempt so many times and now I'm tired and believe that I can do a better job of keeping things fair if I were the one to make the decisions. I believe we would go to court a lot less if I were the one to make these educational and medical decisions. I think him being with me Friday to Monday should be switched to where he goes with his mother every other weekend and on the weekend when he isn't with her 2 weeknights out of that week like Tuesday after school until Thursday after school.

I want to get some kind of order for her boyfriend to back off. Not get involved in his school and some way for him to not tell her what to do when it comes to our business concerning our child. This man has threatened my life. She won't admit it but I've heard the same things directed at her from him. My son swears every day and me and her don't talk like that neither does anyone I am around while my son is with me. It's her boyfriend teaching him these things. I've tried to talk to her she got mad and said put on some cartoons. They both told his school it was me. I asked her about it she blamed it on the little boy at the school.

I petitioned for a modification. I said she refuses medication and weve been in for contempt a bunch of times and that she won't put him into his new school. I also put in a few other things that I don't remember.... I requested a guardian ad litem or parental cordinator. I was going to attach my evidence but didn't I wasn't sure because the attorney I spoke to said don't.

They asked me what I want modified i told them the certain parts of the court order's.

They said why is this in the childs best interests and this is the hard part so I said. This is in his best interests because I will send his medication with him when he goes to moms. I will inform her of any education or health information. I will not talk bad about her in front of our child or let others talk bad about her. I said I will have him in his new school. I said I will not let others influence my decisions. I will take him to the doctor when something is wrong. I will let her have input on decisions.

I was going to wait for her response and then before filing for the hearing file a response to her response to the summons.

Is recording a face to face conversation without the other person knowing illegal? What would be possible punishments? If it got me full custody for me having her recorded saying she is not going to send our sons medication would it be worth it or do I even need that? There is really nothing his mother can say against me and likewise nothing she can use to defend herself I have this in writing and I have written statements from some witnesses.

Also in the last contempt a few months ago the judge ordered we communicate through text message which I do but she refuses to. She won't text me back. He also said to have me pick him up from school and she pick him up from school so that we don't have to be face to face which I had asked for. She refuses and begged me to meet her at the police station and let her call me which doesn't make sense because she hates me so much which she tells me all the time.

Everytime I get an order she won't follow it.
 
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Proserpina

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Is recording a face to face conversation without the other person knowing illegal? What would be possible punishments? If it got me full custody for me having her recorded saying she is not going to send our sons medication would it be worth it or do I even need that?



See, this is why you're running into hills.

If you need to pull this stuff, you know your case is rocky.
 
I didn't have to. I wanted the truth on recording because she can say she did send his medicine or something and she didn't she wouldn't even send it to his school. It's an asthma inhaler and I think he needs it the school just yesterday said "this is neglect" not the medicine but how she explained is that he mentally needs these classes and she is refusing to get him started that is neglect. I don't remember the exact words but I think the inhaler refusing is neglect also.
 
I don't want to go to court and nothing happen either. This is how every court date has been for us.

The judge lets me go first every time I anxiously tell my side. The judge asks her and she blows up starts yelling and is only worried about talking bad about me. The judge gives me exactly what I ask for.

Problem is is that it's happened about 10 times now and sooner or later I think she is going to see what shes doing wrong and really put up a fight. She is sneaky in a way to where it bothers me. She has never went to court and tried to work with me ever. The time where I was trying to go from supervised visits to overnights the judge asked her what do you want to happen she said "I want it to stay the same because Mike used drugs when we lived together 2 years ago."

She went to court one time and said "the judge told mike to not call dcf and you know what he called dcf." the judge told her "i never said that" and gave me some extra days that time.

What if this new judge isn't the same what if he feels all mothers are better or maybe I lose my temper with her this time.
 

Isis1

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I don't want to go to court and nothing happen either. This is how every court date has been for us.

The judge lets me go first every time I anxiously tell my side. The judge asks her and she blows up starts yelling and is only worried about talking bad about me. The judge gives me exactly what I ask for.

Problem is is that it's happened about 10 times now and sooner or later I think she is going to see what shes doing wrong and really put up a fight. She is sneaky in a way to where it bothers me. She has never went to court and tried to work with me ever. The time where I was trying to go from supervised visits to overnights the judge asked her what do you want to happen she said "I want it to stay the same because Mike used drugs when we lived together 2 years ago."

She went to court one time and said "the judge told mike to not call dcf and you know what he called dcf." the judge told her "i never said that" and gave me some extra days that time.

What if this new judge isn't the same what if he feels all mothers are better or maybe I lose my temper with her this time.

hon, you keep bringing up old stuff. yes. in the courts eyes. this is old stuff. please, i'm begging of you. work with me.


when was the last hearing? what is your current visitation schedule?
 
And I'm sorry for asking about the recording but what about the other questions. The case if everything I'm telling you is true does it sound reasonable? Is the problem that you don't believe what I am saying or is it that you don't know what she has against me? Is it that you think I don't need a modification? I will delete the recording. I will get rid of the pictures of the bruises and black eye and all I really don't need this stuff. The courts never want to see any of it anyways she had came in with a stack of pictures and the judge wouldn't even look at it. Me and this girl were together for 3 years before she even got pregnant.
 

Isis1

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And I'm sorry for asking about the recording but what about the other questions. The case if everything I'm telling you is true does it sound reasonable? Is the problem that you don't believe what I am saying or is it that you don't know what she has against me? Is it that you think I don't need a modification? I will delete the recording. I will get rid of the pictures of the bruises and black eye and all I really don't need this stuff. The courts never want to see any of it anyways she had came in with a stack of pictures and the judge wouldn't even look at it. Me and this girl were together for 3 years before she even got pregnant.

one more time.....when was the last court date? and what is your current visitation schedule?
 
I guess I'm jumping around too fast. You want me to start at the current court order.

Child is with father from 3pm friday until mother gets off work monday night every week.
Other than that it says we work together on all major decisions.
We communicate through text messages which she refuses to do.

None of this stuff is really old. It's almost all within the last 2 years.

Most recent hearing November 2011 which she was held in contempt and judge said "if you do it again your going to jail 60 days". I don't want to do contempt because I personally know Jail and fines will not help.

I'm not sure what your needing.
 
This is the most recent last week I filed the petition which included this.

OK so I want my son in this school. I want his medications. We've been back for contempt so many times and now I'm tired and believe that I can do a better job of keeping things fair if I were the one to make the decisions. I believe we would go to court a lot less if I were the one to make these educational and medical decisions. I think him being with me Friday to Monday should be switched to where he goes with his mother every other weekend and on the weekend when he isn't with her 2 weeknights out of that week like Tuesday after school until Thursday after school.

I want to get some kind of order for her boyfriend to back off. Not get involved in his school and some way for him to not tell her what to do when it comes to our business concerning our child. This man has threatened my life. She won't admit it but I've heard the same things directed at her from him. My son swears every day and me and her don't talk like that neither does anyone I am around while my son is with me. It's her boyfriend teaching him these things. I've tried to talk to her she got mad and said put on some cartoons. They both told his school it was me. I asked her about it she blamed it on the little boy at the school.

I petitioned for a modification. I said she refuses medication and weve been in for contempt a bunch of times and that she won't put him into his new school. I also put in a few other things that I don't remember.... I requested a guardian ad litem or parental cordinator. I was going to attach my evidence but didn't I wasn't sure because the attorney I spoke to said don't.

They asked me what I want modified i told them the certain parts of the court order's.

They said why is this in the childs best interests and this is the hard part so I said. This is in his best interests because I will send his medication with him when he goes to moms. I will inform her of any education or health information. I will not talk bad about her in front of our child or let others talk bad about her. I said I will have him in his new school. I said I will not let others influence my decisions. I will take him to the doctor when something is wrong. I will let her have input on decisions.

I was going to wait for her response and then before filing for the hearing file a response to her response to the summons.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
This is the most recent last week I filed the petition which included this.

OK so I want my son in this school. I want his medications. We've been back for contempt so many times and now I'm tired and believe that I can do a better job of keeping things fair if I were the one to make the decisions. I believe we would go to court a lot less if I were the one to make these educational and medical decisions. I think him being with me Friday to Monday should be switched to where he goes with his mother every other weekend and on the weekend when he isn't with her 2 weeknights out of that week like Tuesday after school until Thursday after school.

I want to get some kind of order for her boyfriend to back off. Not get involved in his school and some way for him to not tell her what to do when it comes to our business concerning our child. This man has threatened my life. She won't admit it but I've heard the same things directed at her from him. My son swears every day and me and her don't talk like that neither does anyone I am around while my son is with me. It's her boyfriend teaching him these things. I've tried to talk to her she got mad and said put on some cartoons. They both told his school it was me. I asked her about it she blamed it on the little boy at the school.

I petitioned for a modification. I said she refuses medication and weve been in for contempt a bunch of times and that she won't put him into his new school. I also put in a few other things that I don't remember.... I requested a guardian ad litem or parental cordinator. I was going to attach my evidence but didn't I wasn't sure because the attorney I spoke to said don't.

They asked me what I want modified i told them the certain parts of the court order's.

They said why is this in the childs best interests and this is the hard part so I said. This is in his best interests because I will send his medication with him when he goes to moms. I will inform her of any education or health information. I will not talk bad about her in front of our child or let others talk bad about her. I said I will have him in his new school. I said I will not let others influence my decisions. I will take him to the doctor when something is wrong. I will let her have input on decisions.

I was going to wait for her response and then before filing for the hearing file a response to her response to the summons.

okay, this is what i'm talking about....i need you to slow down. stop trying to jump ahead. breathe. just answer the question. JUST the question.
 
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