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msdad

Member
My lawyer calls it a de facto adoption. His stepdads last name, he calls him dad and I would still be paying!
 

Reyna7

Member
So!!!!

msdad said:
My lawyer calls it a de facto adoption. His stepdads last name, he calls him dad and I would still be paying!

So what, pay the money or let his FATHER adopt him...those are your two choices and I agree with his MOTHER...you gave up all rights to be his father when you never attempted to see him. My God eight years, what the hell where you doing or thinking?

He calls his step father DAD, because he is the one that has been there for him, you havn't done anything.
 

msdad

Member
So what I'm being told is that a de facto adoption is not a legit defense?

If anyone could please answer my questions on the Florida matter or what my sons stepdad said I would appreciate it.

Believe it or not, I do "hear" what you guys have to say. I like having a 3rd party opinion, and legal know how. I'm not trying to be a prick as I was called, just honest.
 

AHA

Senior Member
msdad said:
My lawyer calls it a de facto adoption. His stepdads last name, he calls him dad and I would still be paying!

You haven't been a Dad for your kid ever, so there wouldn't be a difference what name he has. He has been calling his stepdad "Dad" for years right?, so regardless of what name he has, he still doesn't see YOU a his dad.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
msdad said:
So what I'm being told is that a de facto adoption is not a legit defense?

If anyone could please answer my questions on the Florida matter or what my sons stepdad said I would appreciate it.

Believe it or not, I do "hear" what you guys have to say. I like having a 3rd party opinion, and legal know how. I'm not trying to be a prick as I was called, just honest.
Call it anything you like, show me the case law where this has been successfully employed in any case, then apply that decision to the facts in your case. It dosn't matter what the step dad said or didn't say, you have not made a single attempt to be a father to your child or to eatablish or exercise any rights. You are naked as the day you were born and no defense, absolutely none. Get that :confused:
Now ask your attorney to dismiss the case with prejudice and file for visitation and to establish a parenting plan, sign up for parenting classes and request supervised visitation after you have completed the parenting class.
 

msdad

Member
You are not making any sense to me, or we are talking about different things. Are you talking about the name change? Because you are saying that I have no defense in that matter, but then tell me to file for visitation. Do I have to take a parenting class? I know how to parent, my girlfriend has 2 kids who I live with.

Is Florida a state where they can move to, and I can't do anything in regards to visitation?

Can her husband exhaust my wallet with constantly going back with different requests?
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
msdad said:
Do I have to take a parenting class? I know how to parent, my girlfriend has 2 kids who I live with.

It might help show a court that you are serious about becoming a parent to your son. It might also give you some insight into how to deal with some of the issues you'll have to face with your son. You know - the hard questions and likely anger that he'll have at first.
 

msdad

Member
OK, so if I ask the judge to give me supervised visits, he has to right? What if ex and her husband won't agree, will he just let them automatically happen or could they prolong it? Who supervises these? Could my mother? My ex and mom haven't been getting along that much. Can my ex request that someone else would supervise? who would that be if so, someone from the courts?
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
msdad said:
You are not making any sense to me, or we are talking about different things. Are you talking about the name change? Because you are saying that I have no defense in that matter, but then tell me to file for visitation. Do I have to take a parenting class? I know how to parent, my girlfriend has 2 kids who I live with.

Is Florida a state where they can move to, and I can't do anything in regards to visitation?

Can her husband exhaust my wallet with constantly going back with different requests?
I'm saying to DISMISS the case contesting the name change,


If you want any rights you have to establish them, that is why you want to file for visitation.

You have no idea how to parent, it doesn't matter that your girlfriend and her children live with you, SHE is parenting them, not you! Take a parenting class to show you are interested in becoming a good father to your child.

She has custody of the child and can move, the court will allow it because you have done nothing to build a relationship with the child and will be in the best interest of the child to move with his family. If and or when you get off you lazy duff, quit playing with yourself and file for visitaiton, then you will be responsible for your own transportation costs to visit.

The mother can ask for approval of the supervisor if the court doesn't appoint one, they will likely also allow a period of time to get aquinted.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
No, a judge doesn't HAVE to. If Mom contests your request, and presents compelling evidence that it would not be in the child's best interests, the judge CAN deny your motion. However, if you present yourself as honestly wanting to be a stand-up guy, knowing how you've screwed up, but you're prepared to do the hard work to become a father to your son, it is entirely possible that he will grant your motion. But it is not a slam-dunk.

As for who the supervisor might be? It might be Mom, or your Mom, or at a facility that does this sort of thing. One of the first two options would likely be best as they'd be more familiar surroundings for the kid.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
You might also ask the court to order counseling for you and the boy to aid in developing a relationship. Basically - you should expect to jump through a lot of hoops. Without complaint.
 

Joke

Junior Member
Are you an adult or a child?

You have not been a part of this child's life for 9 YEARS! Step back and quit being so selfish.

When you walked away 9 years ago, you gave him the opportunity to have a father who is caring, loving and has been there for him. Why the HELL would you want to disrupt that life for him and make his life complicated?

Many people decide to do unselfish acts every day....Birth parents CHOOSE to give their biological children for adpoption because they know their children will have a good life. They step outside of their selfish drama and GIVE them a life they deserve to have. It is called unconditional love, and the greatest gift anyone could give a child. Your son will respect you far greater that way than if you continually make the parents he does know and love absolutely crazy.

Your son DESERVES to have the man who has raised him for the majority of his life as HIS LEGAL FATHER since you CHOSE to walk away. Now, move forward.

One day, yes, your son may want to know about you. This is the part where once a year or so, you inform your ex of where they can locate you if he ever wants to know. Do this in a mature adult way, not a childish taunting way. Other than that, YOU STEP BACK, and LET THEM LIVE THIER LIVES.

Perhaps if you act like an adult, then you will be treated like an adult, and you will get to see your son when you are TRUSTED to be normal and not cause any more pain to him or that family.

At this point you are alienating them, and pushing them further and further away.
 

msdad

Member
well my ex has nothing compelling against me except that I haven't been around for 9 years. Yes I know that's huge. But that's it. So if she contests it, the judge will have to give me supervised visitation. It is my right afterall, according to you guys I can do this at any time. How long until visits wouldn't be supervised?
 

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