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Whyte Noise
Senior Member
Elease said:
Yes, you did.
On page 3 of his thread.
After 2 pages of downgrading his situation and NCP's in general.
I'm sure he's soooo grateful for you taking the time out of your busy day to offer him your input.
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Elease
Guest
I am quite sure the poster will take the information I provided and move forward. Page 3 may be better than nothing at all which is what BOTW and Tigger have provided. The two of you have spent the past day doing nothing but whinning about your own situations and trying to act as though you know something about the law because you have spent years yaking on this board. Neither of you, or any of the other bleeding hearts, have offered one solution to this poor NCP at all. Page 3 is better than foul language and accusations. OP, I wish you all the best with your plight. I am hopeful that you are able to convince a judge to obolish your financial obligation to this child and that the court orders the stepfamily to support him/her for the remainder of the childs minor years. Please do keep us all posted on your success.
Whyte Noise
Senior Member
If the BOTW moniker was directed at me, perhaps you do have the first letter correct, but that's about all.
The posters question was answered on page 1. The first reply to him from momma_tiger answered his question as a matter of fact. So don't try to come off as you're saving the day for the poster, and he couldn't have possibly gotten an answer without your help after you spent the first 2 pages of this thread berating the man for wanting to lower his CS obligation.
No one was "whining" (nor "whinning) about their situations. They were merely stated to illustrate a point. Not all NCP's are deadbeats, and not all CP's are the true upbeat citizens you'd like to portray them to be. You were the one that started with the "I know CP's that can't even afford to feed their kids," etc. The responses after that were directed to you, to rebut your presumption of NCP's in general. Just stating the facts, and nothing more. I personally don't "whine" about my situation. Perhaps bitch once in a blue moon, but I prefer to take action and not have to partake in pity parties. Whining, looking for a shoulder to cry on, and validation won't help me in a courtroom. Therefore, I have no reason to do it or ask for it on this board.
Wow... I've been called an unfeeling, cold-hearted bitch and a host of other names on this board because my responses DO stick straight to legal answers, but never a "bleeding heart".
And even in your half-hearted attempt to wish the poster the best you can't help but make antagonizing statements towards him. "I am hopeful that you are able to convince a judge to obolish your financial obligation to this child and that the court orders the stepfamily to support him/her for the remainder of the childs minor years." (And as repayment, it's "abolish" not "obolish".)
The posters question was answered on page 1. The first reply to him from momma_tiger answered his question as a matter of fact. So don't try to come off as you're saving the day for the poster, and he couldn't have possibly gotten an answer without your help after you spent the first 2 pages of this thread berating the man for wanting to lower his CS obligation.
No one was "whining" (nor "whinning) about their situations. They were merely stated to illustrate a point. Not all NCP's are deadbeats, and not all CP's are the true upbeat citizens you'd like to portray them to be. You were the one that started with the "I know CP's that can't even afford to feed their kids," etc. The responses after that were directed to you, to rebut your presumption of NCP's in general. Just stating the facts, and nothing more. I personally don't "whine" about my situation. Perhaps bitch once in a blue moon, but I prefer to take action and not have to partake in pity parties. Whining, looking for a shoulder to cry on, and validation won't help me in a courtroom. Therefore, I have no reason to do it or ask for it on this board.
Wow... I've been called an unfeeling, cold-hearted bitch and a host of other names on this board because my responses DO stick straight to legal answers, but never a "bleeding heart".
And even in your half-hearted attempt to wish the poster the best you can't help but make antagonizing statements towards him. "I am hopeful that you are able to convince a judge to obolish your financial obligation to this child and that the court orders the stepfamily to support him/her for the remainder of the childs minor years." (And as repayment, it's "abolish" not "obolish".)
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jbudden
Guest
Elease,
Ever head the phrase too little, too late?
Yes, I trusted her to get the paperwork done because of what happened last time I offered to get my uncle, who is a lawyer in Kentucky, to draw up the basic agreement which we agreed to, she went and filed divorce papers without my knowledge. The first I knew of it was when I got served. I figured if I let her draw up the papers, I could save myself a whole lot of aggrivation. I guess I was wrong on that count too.
I guess I should have been a little more clear about the point I was trying to make about her fiancee being well off and about the SUV. Right now I'm $100.00 behind in my child support. I just had to spend all the money I had to move. My rent has gone from $675/mo to $475/mo. She calls me up bitching on the July 1st (the $100.00 became late on June 30) wanting the money. I told her I could have the money in 2 weeks when I get my security deposit back from my previous complex. She complains that that's too late. The point I was trying to make is, what possible harm could it do to wait 2 weeks. She doesn't need the money and she is going to get it, despite already agreeing to $150/mo.
I'm just going to tell her to go ahead and call the cops if she wants to and to go ahead and tell them I'm less than 1 week behind on $100.00 and watch them laugh her out of the building. I'll drive her down there if she wants. I cannot give her what I do not physically have.
To everyone else who tried to assist me, thank you. To Elise, go take your biased bitterness elsewhere. In my opinion, you have absolutely NO business in child welfare if you cannot see BOTH sides of a situation.
Ever head the phrase too little, too late?
Yes, I trusted her to get the paperwork done because of what happened last time I offered to get my uncle, who is a lawyer in Kentucky, to draw up the basic agreement which we agreed to, she went and filed divorce papers without my knowledge. The first I knew of it was when I got served. I figured if I let her draw up the papers, I could save myself a whole lot of aggrivation. I guess I was wrong on that count too.
I guess I should have been a little more clear about the point I was trying to make about her fiancee being well off and about the SUV. Right now I'm $100.00 behind in my child support. I just had to spend all the money I had to move. My rent has gone from $675/mo to $475/mo. She calls me up bitching on the July 1st (the $100.00 became late on June 30) wanting the money. I told her I could have the money in 2 weeks when I get my security deposit back from my previous complex. She complains that that's too late. The point I was trying to make is, what possible harm could it do to wait 2 weeks. She doesn't need the money and she is going to get it, despite already agreeing to $150/mo.
I'm just going to tell her to go ahead and call the cops if she wants to and to go ahead and tell them I'm less than 1 week behind on $100.00 and watch them laugh her out of the building. I'll drive her down there if she wants. I cannot give her what I do not physically have.
To everyone else who tried to assist me, thank you. To Elise, go take your biased bitterness elsewhere. In my opinion, you have absolutely NO business in child welfare if you cannot see BOTH sides of a situation.
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Elease
Guest
Dont worry about the cops. If FLORIDA CSE is in on this case, they will not make a move against a NCP in arrearage for at lease 3 months, if then. They are so backed up with cases and trying to find nonpaying NCPs they have no time to mess with the ones who pay religiously. I cant imagine why that is since according to so many on this board the NCPs are all paying and all struggling. Wonder why CSE has such a backlog in FLORIDA? Anyway, you can rest easy and like you said she doesnt need it.
Elease said:
This entire paragraph is completely untrue! First of all Florida CSE is just like any other CSE office, they go after the one's they know will pay with full force! The "attempt" to go after the one's who never pay. BUT becuase CSE gets money for collecting, they want to enforce against those who pay religiously. I can name one hand 13 people I know personally who pay religiously but if they miss a few weeks and don't send in payment they get threats from CSE. I can name even more people who NEVER pay and they don't get these immediate threats from CSE.
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theother
Guest
Elease said:
" OP, I wish you all the best with your plight. I am hopeful that you are able to convince a judge to obolish your financial obligation to this child and that the court orders the stepfamily to support him/her for the remainder of the childs minor years. Please do keep us all posted on your success."
**Elease, you have one of the nastiest attitudes that I have ever seen. Even when you are "helping", you just can't resist being as condescending and self-righteous as possible. I don't think that anyone on here has claimed that "NCPs are all paying and all struggling". We are just trying to point out that there are good and bad NCP's just like there are good a bad CP's. You see, unlike you, we try not to stereotype. We try to see both sides. Apparently, you can't see past your own personal biases enough to do the same.**
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Lil Miss Smarty Panties
Guest
You have 13 fingers on one hand??
sorry, I had to.
sorry, I had to.
Grace_Adler
Senior Member
"Momma Tiger please provide the states where only the income of the NCP is calculated to arrive at the amount of support necessary for the needs of the child. I am unaware of those statutes and would very much like to be informed."
Posted by Elease
>>Go to www.ncchildsupport.com click on the guidelines link, then click on the worksheets and guidelines link, then scroll down to this part:
Self-Support Reserve; Supporting Parents with Low Incomes
Top
The Guidelines include a self-support reserve that ensures that obligors have sufficient income to maintain a minimum standard of living based on the 2002 federal poverty level for one person ($738.00 net per month). For obligors with an adjusted gross income of less than $800, the Guidelines require, absent a deviation, the establishment of a minimum support order ($50). For obligors with adjusted gross incomes above $800, the Schedule of Basic Support Obligations incorporates a further adjustment to maintain the self-support reserve for the obligor.
If the obligor's adjusted gross income falls within the shaded area of the Schedule and Worksheet A is used, the basic child support obligation and the obligor's total child support obligation are computed using only the obligor's income. In these cases, childcare and health insurance premiums should not be used to calculate the child support obligation. However, payment of these costs by either parent may be a basis for deviation. This approach prevents disproportionate increases in the child support obligation with moderate increases in income and protects the integrity of the self-support reserve. In all other cases, the basic child support obligation is computed using the combined adjusted gross incomes of both parents.
Notice the part where it says if the NCP's income falls in the shaded area (which is like the poverty level) they use only the the NCP's income. So basically the CP could be making a million a year and the NCP $12k a year and they only consider the NCP's income if they fall in the gray shaded area of the income chart. That's fair? Well I guess I'm just dumb because I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe someone could draw me a picture or something.
As far as you being the only one to give advice on what to do, we all have told posters that many times. All you have to do is click on the search link above. We have been capable of giving out that advice many times over again.
Posted by Elease
>>Go to www.ncchildsupport.com click on the guidelines link, then click on the worksheets and guidelines link, then scroll down to this part:
Self-Support Reserve; Supporting Parents with Low Incomes
Top
The Guidelines include a self-support reserve that ensures that obligors have sufficient income to maintain a minimum standard of living based on the 2002 federal poverty level for one person ($738.00 net per month). For obligors with an adjusted gross income of less than $800, the Guidelines require, absent a deviation, the establishment of a minimum support order ($50). For obligors with adjusted gross incomes above $800, the Schedule of Basic Support Obligations incorporates a further adjustment to maintain the self-support reserve for the obligor.
If the obligor's adjusted gross income falls within the shaded area of the Schedule and Worksheet A is used, the basic child support obligation and the obligor's total child support obligation are computed using only the obligor's income. In these cases, childcare and health insurance premiums should not be used to calculate the child support obligation. However, payment of these costs by either parent may be a basis for deviation. This approach prevents disproportionate increases in the child support obligation with moderate increases in income and protects the integrity of the self-support reserve. In all other cases, the basic child support obligation is computed using the combined adjusted gross incomes of both parents.
Notice the part where it says if the NCP's income falls in the shaded area (which is like the poverty level) they use only the the NCP's income. So basically the CP could be making a million a year and the NCP $12k a year and they only consider the NCP's income if they fall in the gray shaded area of the income chart. That's fair? Well I guess I'm just dumb because I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe someone could draw me a picture or something.
As far as you being the only one to give advice on what to do, we all have told posters that many times. All you have to do is click on the search link above. We have been capable of giving out that advice many times over again.
HOw did I miss this statement?
"Momma Tiger please provide the states where only the income of the NCP is calculated to arrive at the amount of support necessary for the needs of the child. I am unaware of those statutes and would very much like to be informed."
Posted by Elease
Good lord a paralegal that says her office gives advice to people from all different states AND she doesn't know that states use only the NCP's income? Maybe this site will help you, I mean you should already know it since you are in law...but maybe you are in real estate law or malpractice and unaware of child support laws.http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/models.htm
"Momma Tiger please provide the states where only the income of the NCP is calculated to arrive at the amount of support necessary for the needs of the child. I am unaware of those statutes and would very much like to be informed."
Posted by Elease
Good lord a paralegal that says her office gives advice to people from all different states AND she doesn't know that states use only the NCP's income? Maybe this site will help you, I mean you should already know it since you are in law...but maybe you are in real estate law or malpractice and unaware of child support laws.http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/models.htm
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Elease
Guest
Ryry's Mom-Odd you should know about CSE in FLORIDA. Thought you were in Nebraska. Let me guess...you lived in Florida for 50 years and know all about CSE cases here. Ok.
CSE sends out lots of threats. I was telling the OP he had no reason to concern himself with jail time at this early stage of the game.
And I will make this point again. In FLORIDA a paralegal cannot give legal advice. I do not give legal advice. For all the wannabe lawyers out there who are so quick to hand it out incognito, help yourselves.
Thank you Momma Tiger I will research your links and hopefully learn something. However, I have yet to prepare the documents in any state for a dissolution which involves children where the income of both parents was not considered in the calculation of child support. Perhaps the financial affidavits required by each state, for each parent, have been obolished. Having prepared the documents for every state in the country successfully, I am wondering who else has missed out on your study.
Thank you all for being so entertaining. It's been a fun weekend but some of us have jobs to do tomorrow. This tah ta tah now bores me.
CSE sends out lots of threats. I was telling the OP he had no reason to concern himself with jail time at this early stage of the game.
And I will make this point again. In FLORIDA a paralegal cannot give legal advice. I do not give legal advice. For all the wannabe lawyers out there who are so quick to hand it out incognito, help yourselves.
Thank you Momma Tiger I will research your links and hopefully learn something. However, I have yet to prepare the documents in any state for a dissolution which involves children where the income of both parents was not considered in the calculation of child support. Perhaps the financial affidavits required by each state, for each parent, have been obolished. Having prepared the documents for every state in the country successfully, I am wondering who else has missed out on your study.
Thank you all for being so entertaining. It's been a fun weekend but some of us have jobs to do tomorrow. This tah ta tah now bores me.