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Negotiation in Bad Faith?

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lokeen

Member
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? Indiana

My husband and his ex-wife negotiated their divorce settlement in mediation. They agreed to Joint Legal Custody with her having Primary Physical Custody. There was also the standard provision that she would not move more than 100 miles away from our county of residence without permission from the court. The day after mediation, she purchased a home 116.8 miles from our home, (but 99.7 miles away from the county line) without informing my husband. One week after the Judge signed their Agreement, she told him about the home purchase. Three days later, she left with his sons (2 and 5 years old).

Because of this move we have now lost our weekday parenting time (Thursdays from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m.) and our Sunday overnights because of the distance factor. And now have to incur the costs of "meeting half way" for pick ups and drop offs.

Further, she routinely 'loses' her daycare during which times we keep the boys until she is able to contract new care. (Since January of this year, the boys have had 3 new daycare providers in her new hometown.) We love having them the additional time, but worry that they become confused and insecure when they come to stay with us for 'a few days' and it turns into 'a few weeks'. Adding to this frustration is the fact that my husband is still required to pay her child support, even when they stay with us for these extended periods and we incur additional costs for our daycare.

Had my husband been aware of her pending move, things would have been negotiated very differently. We feel cheated out of precious consistent time with two little boys that we love dearly and are worried about the stability of their environment when they are so far away. Is there a course of action that we can take given that she negotiated in bad faith?
 


nextwife

Senior Member
So WHAT legal action did your husband take when she moved in violation of the agreement? Did he immediately go to court and file for custody, or to make HER responsible for travel the extra distance for visitation? Did he DO anything, legally?
 

lokeen

Member
We contacted our attorney immediately. We were told because she was moving 99.7 miles outside of our county of residence that there was no legal action to be taken...that technically it was not more than 100 miles away. Our attorney also felt that it would not be of financial benefit to try and change the Support Order because of our additional incurred expense of additional travel. He just told us to document everything. I have. Although time consuming, we document every pick up, drop off, email, telephone conversation, etc. We are gaining nothing but more frustration...
 

casa

Senior Member
lokeen said:
We contacted our attorney immediately. We were told because she was moving 99.7 miles outside of our county of residence that there was no legal action to be taken...that technically it was not more than 100 miles away. Our attorney also felt that it would not be of financial benefit to try and change the Support Order because of our additional incurred expense of additional travel. He just told us to document everything. I have. Although time consuming, we document every pick up, drop off, email, telephone conversation, etc. We are gaining nothing but more frustration...

BAD advice from the attorney! :eek: If a parent moves over 100 miles away it is perfectly reasonable that the other parent petition the court to modify support based on increased transportation costs- or make the moving parent responsible for transportation. Also your husband needs to file to modify the parenting plan to reflect longer distance visitation. ie; longer periods of time, less often.

If Dad's parenting time has increased, along with the cost of providing transportation for care &/or visitation...he absolutely should file to modify the court order.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
casa said:
BAD advice from the attorney! :eek: If a parent moves over 100 miles away it is perfectly reasonable that the other parent petition the court to modify support based on increased transportation costs- or make the moving parent responsible for transportation. Also your husband needs to file to modify the parenting plan to reflect longer distance visitation. ie; longer periods of time, less often.

If Dad's parenting time has increased, along with the cost of providing transportation for care &/or visitation...he absolutely should file to modify the court order.

Normally I would agree, but this is Indiana and things are a little different.

The 100 mile distance is state law. A custodial parent is free to move up to 100 miles (within the state) without permission of the courts or the other parent. So he really had no recourse there....particularly with the way their agreement was worded.

In addition, Indiana has strict child support guidelines (and the judges simply don't vary from them because our Supreme Court made them). Those guidelines give VERY generous credits for parenting time.

Obviously this dad's child support was calculated based on a weekly overnight and a Sunday overnight during his weekends. If it went back to court for a recalulation, even if the judge gave him a credit for transportation costs, it probably would get eaten up by the loss of some of his parenting time credits. I think his attorney was probably wise to tell him to leave it be.

However, since he is spending extra time with the kids...due to mom's daycare issues, if he documents that, and if it keeps up, he may be able to ask for a modification later on down the road based on the extra time he is spending with the kids.

Let me give you an example of the parenting time credits.

If both parents make 1000.00 a week and no other costs are considered, the if dad had standard visitation it would be about 95 overnights a year. His child support would be 132.00 a week.

If both parents make 1000.00 a week and no other costs are considered, but he has a weekday overnight plus Sunday overnight on his weekend, his child support would drop to 43.00 per week.

See how generous the parenting time credits are? What he could lose if a recalculation is done would be far greater than what he might gain with any transportation credits.
 

CJane

Senior Member
LdiJ said:
Normally I would agree, but this is Indiana and things are a little different.

The 100 mile distance is state law. A custodial parent is free to move up to 100 miles (within the state) without permission of the courts or the other parent. So he really had no recourse there....particularly with the way their agreement was worded.

But mom moved 116 miles away.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
CJane said:
But mom moved 116 miles away.

Its based on the distance from the county line, not from the other parent's home or from the cp's previous home. That distance was 99.7 miles.
 

lokeen

Member
LdiJ said:
However, since he is spending extra time with the kids...due to mom's daycare issues, if he documents that, and if it keeps up, he may be able to ask for a modification later on down the road based on the extra time he is spending with the kids.

How long must it be ongoing before he can go back and request a Modification?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
lokeen said:
How long must it be ongoing before he can go back and request a Modification?

Indiana judges generally don't like to see you back in court unless at least a year has passed. They have a nasty habit of ruling against you AND making you pay the other party's attorney fees if its been less than a year. (at least where child support is concerned)

Also, I wouldn't recommend doing it unless the extra time your husband is spending with the kids adds up to more than 78 overnights per year. (That is what the weekday overnight and the Sunday overnight adds up to) Otherwise it could have a negative effect on the recalculation rather than a positive one.
 

casa

Senior Member
LdiJ said:
Normally I would agree, but this is Indiana and things are a little different.

The 100 mile distance is state law. A custodial parent is free to move up to 100 miles (within the state) without permission of the courts or the other parent. So he really had no recourse there....particularly with the way their agreement was worded.

In addition, Indiana has strict child support guidelines (and the judges simply don't vary from them because our Supreme Court made them). Those guidelines give VERY generous credits for parenting time.

Obviously this dad's child support was calculated based on a weekly overnight and a Sunday overnight during his weekends. If it went back to court for a recalulation, even if the judge gave him a credit for transportation costs, it probably would get eaten up by the loss of some of his parenting time credits. I think his attorney was probably wise to tell him to leave it be.

However, since he is spending extra time with the kids...due to mom's daycare issues, if he documents that, and if it keeps up, he may be able to ask for a modification later on down the road based on the extra time he is spending with the kids.

Let me give you an example of the parenting time credits.

If both parents make 1000.00 a week and no other costs are considered, the if dad had standard visitation it would be about 95 overnights a year. His child support would be 132.00 a week.

If both parents make 1000.00 a week and no other costs are considered, but he has a weekday overnight plus Sunday overnight on his weekend, his child support would drop to 43.00 per week.

See how generous the parenting time credits are? What he could lose if a recalculation is done would be far greater than what he might gain with any transportation credits.


Right, but mom moved 116 miles away...her wiggle room is her move was only 99 mi. outside of county lines. :rolleyes: I think it's a 50/50 chance the judge will see this 'minor' manipulation and can adjust transportation costs accordingly. I could see a parent moving up to 200 mi. away (& yet only 100 outside county lines)....where is the distinction?

I understand the parenting credits...but in this case, it's not only the transpo. costs- but the additional transpo costs re; caring for the child per mom's requests. I see how the formula may not allow a significant change.
 
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CJane

Senior Member
But wait a second... if dad has 'lost' his weekday overnight and his Sunday overnight due to mom's move - isn't a modification required for mom to avoid being in contempt?
 

lokeen

Member
casa said:
Right, but mom moved 116 miles away...her wiggle room is her move was only 99 mi. outside of state lines.

She did not move out of state...she moved 116 miles away from our home (within the state) and 99 miles away from the County border. Sorry if I was confusing... :(
 

casa

Senior Member
lokeen said:
She did not move out of state...she moved 116 miles away from our home (within the state) and 99 miles away from the County border. Sorry if I was confusing... :(

No, you stated county- that was my typo (error)... I edited it. Same answer. I believe if you research this topic it is 100 miles...not drive to the county line (which could be anywhere between 5 and 100 miles or more) and THEN start clocking it. :rolleyes:

There are other issues as well that make this sound like a modification is necessary. (increased parenting time via caretaking and additional expense for transportation to provide that care etc.)

Also, why is Dad not challenging the move since Mom DID NOT get court approval to move? How long ago did she move?
 

lokeen

Member
casa said:
No, you stated county- that was my typo (error)... I edited it. Same answer. I believe if you research this topic it is 100 miles...not drive to the county line (which could be anywhere between 5 and 100 miles or more) and THEN start clocking it. :rolleyes:
Even if that is the case, would 16 miles be significant? Our attorney says no.


casa said:
There are other issues as well that make this sound like a modification is necessary. (increased parenting time via caretaking and additional expense for transportation to provide that care etc.)
I'll be honest, I wouldn't mind if it ended up that he paid more support. We WANT to support these boys; however, I consistently have a hard time swallowing that he has to pay support AND daycare expenses when they stay with us for these extended periods because then where is her motivation to obtain and maintain consistent child care. Also, what will she do once the oldest (who is 5 now) starts school? Am I wrong?


casa said:
Also, why is Dad not challenging the move since Mom DID NOT get court approval to move? How long ago did she move?
They mediated 12/17/04. She purchased her home 12/18/04. Their divorce was final on 12/23/04. She informed him of the move on 12/30/04 and moved on 01/02/05. My husband did not challenge the move on advice of our attorney.
 
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