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ellencee

Senior Member
OnlyOneVoice
Whoa! You have possibly just given this person his ticket to being arrested! He has no rights until the court gives him his rights. He can not show up at the grandmother's house and take the child without putting himself at risk of being arrested.

nextwife
"GF plans on getting emanstipated"
She should try prunes for that.

Now, that was funny! :D

EC
 


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fast_one

Guest
baby

Ok the mother does agree that the baby should be with me, but I guess the police told the grnd mother that she had rights to the baby because her daughter is a minor. Now thats what confuses me. Is that right or like everyone else here is saying, no only the mother and I have all rights.(and yes I know that the grandmother has all rights to my GF as of now)
 
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OnlyOneVoice

Guest
ellencee:

I'm not saying I'm right, but did I miss that he is not on the baby's birth certificate. I was under the impression that he was and if that is the case then there is no need for court ORDERED rights as those were deemed set in place when his name was put on the birth certificate.

If indeed he is listed as the father he has absolutely every right to the child as the mother and grandma can't do squat until she goes and gets a court order stating he can't have possession of the baby.

Now FASTONE is your name on that birth certificate or not????

If it is and the mother doesn't care why don't you just go get the baby and let grandma do whatever she thinks she can about retrieving her.
 

gobonas99

Member
hexeliebe said:
Utah is one of the few states with no emancipation statute. The age of majority is 18 or, if the child is in school, when she graduates with her graduating class.

That is great info to put out there, hexy, honey....except our poster is in IDAHO, not Utah. :D

-Christina
 
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fast_one

Guest
birth certificate

No I am not on it beacsue the grandmother told my GF that I would go to jail if I was on it, but I said that I wanted the baby to have my last nae so she does. Should I get my name on te Birth Certificate? if so should I get it ASAP?
 

ellencee

Senior Member
I researched the general statutes for Idaho and found that the Idaho statutes do not give this father the right to go in and take his child or to exercise visitation without the grandmother's approval unless the court has given this father visitation rights.

Automatic rights to custody are granted only to parents of legitimate children, not to children born out of wedlock.

A minor who is pregnant, or has given birth, remains under the custody of her parents and remains in the home of her parents where her parents have 'control' over both their child and their grandchild.

In order for a father of a child born out of wedlock to have any visitation rights, he must petition the court to establish his rights as a father, starting with petitioning to have himself declared as the father.

A minor under the age of 16 can not marry unless one parent signs AND a physician examines the minor and makes a decision that the minor is both physically and emotionally fit to fulfill the role of a spouse or parent. Then, the court has to issue a ruling that the marriage can take place.

All of the advice to this young man to just charge in and take his child for visitation is advising him on how to get arrested and having the issue of statutory rape brought to the attention of the court.

When and if this father files to establish himself as the father of this child, he faces the wrath of the court and may find himself charged with statutory rape as well as being declared the father.

There is no easy out for this young man or the child that he impregnated or for the child born from their lack of maturity and responsibility.

The grandparents are in control of this situation until the court says otherwise.

Here are portions of the statutes:
TITLE 32
DOMESTIC RELATIONS
CHAPTER 10
PARENT AND CHILD
32-1007. RIGHTS OF PARENTS OVER CHILDREN. The father and mother of a legitimate unmarried minor child are equally entitled to its custody, services and earnings. If either the father or mother be dead or be unable or refuse to take the custody or has abandoned his or her family, the other is entitled to the child's custody, services and earnings.

TITLE 16
JUVENILE PROCEEDINGS
CHAPTER 15
ADOPTION OF CHILDREN
16-1513. REGISTRATION OF NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT OF PATERNITY PROCEEDINGS.
(1) A person who is the father or claims to be the father of a child born out of wedlock may claim rights pertaining to his paternity of the child by commencing proceedings to establish paternity under section 7-1111, Idaho Code, and by filing with the vital statistics unit of the department of health and welfare notice of his commencement of proceedings to establish his
paternity of the child born out of wedlock.

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 6
ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTIVES
18-602. LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT. (1) The legislature finds:
(a) That children have a special place in society that the law should reflect;
(b) That minors too often lack maturity and make choices that do not include consideration of both immediate and long-term consequences;
(c) That the medical, emotional and psychological consequences of abortion and childbirth are serious and can be lasting, particularly when the patient is immature;
(d) That the capacity to become pregnant and the capacity for mature judgment concerning the wisdom of bearing a child or of having an abortion are not necessarily related;
(e) That parents, when aware that their daughter is pregnant or has had an abortion are in the best position to ensure that she receives adequate medical attention during her pregnancy or after her abortion;
(f) That except in rare cases, parents possess knowledge regarding their child which is essential for a physician to exercise the best medical judgment for that child;
(g) That when a minor is faced with the difficulties of an unplanned pregnancy, the best interests of the minor are always served when there is careful consideration of the rights of parents in rearing their child and the unique counsel and nurturing environment that parents can provide;
(h) That informed consent is always necessary for making mature health care decisions.
(2) It is the intent of the legislature in enacting section 18-609A, Idaho Code, to further the following important and compelling state interests
recognized by the United States supreme court in:
(a) Protecting minors against their own immaturity;
(b) Preserving the integrity of the family unit;
(c) Defending the authority of parents to direct the rearing of children who are members of their household;
(d) Providing a pregnant minor with the advice and support of a parent during a decisional period;
(e) Providing for proper medical treatment and aftercare when the life or physical health of the pregnant minor is at serious risk in the rare instance of a sudden and unexpected medical emergency.

TITLE 32
DOMESTIC RELATIONS
CHAPTER 2
MARRIAGE -- NATURE AND VALIDITY OF MARRIAGE CONTRACT
32-202. PERSONS WHO MAY MARRY. Any unmarried male of the age of eighteen
(18) years or older, and any unmarried female of the age of eighteen (18)
years or older, and not otherwise disqualified, are capable of consenting
to and consummating marriage. Provided that if the male party to the
contract is under the age of eighteen (18) and not less than sixteen (16)
years of age, or if the female party to the contract is under the age of
eighteen (18) and not less than sixteen (16) years of age, the license
shall not be issued except upon the consent in writing duly acknowledged
and sworn to by the father, mother or guardian of any such person if there
be either, and provided further, that no such license may be issued, if the
male be under eighteen (18) years of age and the female under eighteen (18)
years of age, unless each party to the contract submits to the county
recorder his or her original birth certificate, or certified copy thereof
or other proof of age acceptable to the county recorder. Provided further,
that where the female is under the age of sixteen (16), or the male is
under the age of sixteen (16), the license shall not issue except upon the
consent in writing duly acknowledged or sworn to by the father, mother or
guardian of such person if there be any such, and upon order of the court.
Such order shall be secured upon petition of any interested party which
petition shall show that the female minor under the age of sixteen (16), or
the male minor under the age of sixteen (16), is physically and/or mentally
so far developed as to assume full marital and parental duties, and/or that
it is to the best interest of society that the marriage be permitted. A
hearing shall be had on such petition forthwith or at such time and upon
such notice as the court may designate. The judge shall secure from a
physician his opinion as an expert as to whether said person is
sufficiently developed mentally and physically to assume full marital
duties. If said court is satisfied from the evidence that such person is
capable of assuming full marital duties and/or that it is to the best
interest of society, said court shall make an order to that effect, and a
certified copy of said order shall be filed with the county recorder
preliminary to the issuance of a marriage license for the marriage of such
person and said order of the court shall be the authority for the county
recorder to issue such license.




EC
 
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fast_one

Guest
confusion

Ok then so the grandmother does have rights to my daughter? If so can she loose those rights if I can prove that she can'y provide an approriate enviroment for my child, I mean come on like I said there are drugs and alcohol involved here, and I have recording of here admitting to it, and ants and rats, the rats started to eat my babies clothes, wich upsets me. and to top it all she has no job, and claims to be too sick to lift anything over 15 lbs. so how can she care for my baby?
 

ellencee

Senior Member
All you can do to get your baby out of that house is to call DSS and have them go in; if they feel the baby needs to be removed from the house, then your child will be placed in foster care. You have to consider the facts. If your child is in danger, then call DSS and have the child removed from the house and placed in foster care.

Until the court says you have a right to do anything else, you do not.

Grandmother can tell you to stay the hell away from her house, her daughter, and her granddaughter and until such time as a court says otherwise, you have to stay the hell away.

At this time the only right that you have is to petition the court to declare you as the father and then to petition the court to give you visitation rights and a child support order. You can not even marry the mother of your child unless her parent, a physician, and a court give the two of you permission to marry.

You are in one heck of a mess, young man. You need an attorney now. You should find a family law attorney who has a criminal law attorney associate. I fear you may need both.


EC
 
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fast_one

Guest
emancipation

Ok well then I heard that in idaho you can can emancipated at 16, but any part younger than 16 can get emancipated with the aproval of a judge. What happens if she gets it granted? Does he have to move out of house?
 

ellencee

Senior Member
I have not researched the statutes for emancipation of a minor in Idaho; but, I will. Other states that allow for such require that the minor be self-sufficient, which means employed and having a residence of their own, not simply being set free to move where they choose. I would not count on emancipation's being an option. If she applies for emancipation, the issues of the baby and the statutory rape will be brought before the court.

Now, I want to make this clear to you--you are not helpless to sit by and do nothing to improve the life of your child and the life of the mother of your child. You showed maturity in seeking advice and in hanging around to listen to what has been told to you. You can show further maturity by working and supporting this child and this mother. You can make some improvements in their living conditions, too.

You can buy some window fans, small fans that only take up part of one-half of the window, and after gaining permission, place them in the window to blow the smoke OUT of the rooms.

You can buy some air filters for each room. I suggest a filter that has an ionizing filter and a charcoal filter. Place these high enough to filter out the smoke from the air.

You can buy metal footlockers for about $20 and use these to store your baby's clothes, toys, and feeding supplies.

You can purchase a bed frame or extenders for the legs to the bed frame to raise the bed off of the floor enough so that crawlers can't just hop into bed with the mother of your child.

You can purchase rat poison and mouse poison for little of nothing. I feel no moral obligation to spare the lives of such pests. You can also purchase mouse traps and rat traps.

You can clean the house, with permission, or you can clean the portions of the house in which your baby lives.

You can pay child support to the grandmother of your child.

If your child is in danger and thus the mother of your child is in danger, the responsible thing to do is to call DSS. There is not a parent or an attorney on this forum that will advise you to protect yourself from any court action while allowing rats to nibble away at your infant or your infant's clothes and bedding.

The smoke and the pests are something that with the grandmother's approval, you can help to remove. If the grandmother will not allow you to rid the house of the pests, please call DSS before you wake one day to find your daughter has died because of rats or mice or their droppings.

EC
 
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fast_one

Guest
drugs?

Hey nicely said thank you so much on the info.
But my GF rather not live there any more. I have bought ant and mouse traps before killed alot of ants and like four mice. and their dropping, yeah I have seen them before, and ots of it. Ok now I told my GF that i she ever feels like threatened or feel like her mother is going to beat her, to call the police. She has done so, and now one of her mother's drug buddies told my GF (I was there) that she better not call the "pigs" anymore. (police) he said that the only good pig is a dead one, and he explained to us how he beat some guy down and stole his car, and blabed on,(i recorded it) but the main reason the way I see it is that I think he says that so that he is not there incase she does call the police. Because is so scared of the police for some reason. (he was drunk and high when he told us this) Now the way my GF and I see it, we dontwant our daughter around that. so we want to live together and lve our own wonderful lives. How can we make our dream come true?
 
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fast_one

Guest
welfare

By the way my GF went to welfare and asked someone there if they could help her find information on emancipation and they told her that there was no such thing as emanciption in the state of Idaho, when she told me that I got furious and told her that they can't do that you went in to get help and they basicaly shoowed her away like an anoying fly! Can they do that?:confused:
 

ellencee

Senior Member
All you can do is follow the instructions to establish paternity by filing the proper documents with the office of vital statistics in the health and welfare department. Then, you can petition the court for visitation rights with your daughter. At the time the court hears your petition to have visitation, you can expect to be ordered to pay child support to the grandmother.

There is nothing you can do to get your girlfriend out of her mother's house unless
a) her mother or her father signs for her to marry you and
b)a physician says she is physically and mentally capable of being a spouse and a parent and
c) a judge issues an order saying the two of you can marry but only after the judge receives the OK from the physician and one of your girlfriend's parent.

Unless all of the above occurs and the two of you marry, you and your girlfriend will have to wait until she is 16.

You have no other options. That's it.

I strongly advise you to be a very respectable person when you are in the home of your child's grandparents. If you continue to try and remove their daughter from their home, you may find yourself serving time in prison way past when your girlfriend turns 16.

I don't think you understand the seriousness of your actions in having sex with a 13 year-old girl, much less having sex with a 13 year-old girl and getting her pregnant. She is too young to have known what she was doing, or allowing you to do. She is too young to understand what it means to be a mother.

The law holds you 100% responsible for her actions as well as your own. The law considers her legally unable to consent to sex because of her immaturity; therefore, the law considers you to have forced her to have sexual relationships with you. In the eyes of the law, you are a rapist. If you are charged with this crime and found guilty, you will have a permanent criminal record and a permanent record of being a sex offender. Is that what you want? I don't think so.

The law states that your girlfriend is in the custody of her parents and her child is in the custody of her parents.

You can do nothing to change this. You must accept that this is the way things are and the way things will remain for two or more years.

(I misread your post, so I deleted this paragraph--just so you would know what happened if you had this paragraph before!)

I advise you to make an appointment with a family law attorney at once. Maybe if you hear this information in a face to face meeting with an attorney, you will understand the situation more clearly.

Best wishes,
EC
 
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anjgonzalez805

Guest
look fast one i see u are very confused...contact me and i think i can help you out.....i just moved from idaho and i also had a baby when i was 14 so email me when u read this and i will try to help you and your girl friend. email is anjgonzalez805@msn.com
 

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