JETX said:
In the words of Ronald Reagan.... "There you go again".
Where did I joke about this?? And when you are cornered and asked to provide ANY valid support for your claims, you still can't.... and now have decided to try to spin this to "call a case worker". You can't get off that easy.... answer my flippin' question???
I gave it to you, several times, including the Ca. Codes etc.
In two cases you provided a link which had the specific citation but YOU didn't read it. I even gave the numbers to call the caseworkers! I can't call because I don't have the information to call! But I told OP to have his parents call. "Have your parents contact APS, they will connect then to the senior services in their county who can assess your grandfather and help match him to services."
Simple. PROVE IT!!!
You are making ANOTHER of your fantastic 'leaps of assumption', huh???
There are many things that COULD be signs of POTENTIAL dementia.... and you simply have NO information that this is one of them. And even more incredible, you have now somehow LEAPED to another stone.... that of 'dementia equals abuse'. It doesn't.
Asked and answered.
I do believe we have pulled the curtain aside and found that you are similar to the 'Wizard of Oz'. You make these huge leaps of assumption and post what on the surface looks and sounds like possibly valid responses. Yet, when looked at more closely, are found to be full of crap.... and you can't even justify them yourself!!!
Asked and answered, you need to read your own links next time.
WOW!!! There is another of your now famous "Leaps of Assumption!!".
You somehow have assumed that an elderly person who pays rent.... "could be financial abuse".
Where the hell did you get that??? Again, there is absolutely NOTHING in this thread to even indicate that there is any ABUSE at all, financial or otherwise!!
Read your own posts!! That is NOT what you have said.
Your words:
Actually you left out some, see below for the entire quote and context
"Actualy
it is elder abuse and a violation of W&I codes."
"Grandpa is 72,
he is qulaified under W&I 156xx and PC 368."
"When you take in an elderly parent,
you become a caregiver and have a duty to them, not to evict them because they are just exhibiting the decline in their condition."
"Actually Brian's parents
had assumed the role of caregiver"
And I also explained that the law allows for both direct and implied caregivers and that from what OP posted his parents could be considered "implied caregivers, as it is unlikely that he has lived with them for 10 years totally independently, we are not getting the who story and obviously, grandson wants grandpa out and his parents have not put him out.
All of the above are your own words... made as very clear statements of FACT.
The were qualified statements, you omitted portions to make your point.
Yet, you now soften your position to "this situation needs appropriate evaluation". If you had said that originally, and not tried to impress us with your blanket 'THESE ARE THE FACTS' answer....
Sorry, Here is my Original reference to evaluation, please not the word assess means the same thing as evaluation:
"Have your parents contact APS, they will connect then to the senior services in their county who can assess your grandfather and help match him to services.
How to Contact APS..."
it wouldn't be so bad.
Do I have to tattoo it backwards on your forehead so you can read it in the mirror?
Bottom line.... at least from your 'softer' stance, you appear to be learning that your posts were NOT accurate.... and I (we?) appreciate that.
LOL, Typical lawyereese, talk about spin! Please read my posts and any links you provide in the future before blithering on like this!
You have blown this way out of porportion, this went from a basic reminder that elders have protection in the State of California, any stat for that matter and how to appropriately gain assistance with the problem to a rather juvenile display of bruised egos. Please children, act like adults!
BlondiePB said:
Because the OP did not state how old grandpa is, doesn't the family have to take precautions for getting the ol' geezer elsewhere without committing elder abuse?
seniorjudge said:
Probably.
"...About two years ago he began to get really mean and vulgar to me and some of the rest of my family members. On more then one occasion he has even threatened to "knock me on my ass" and other things...."
If grandpa never acted like that before, then something has happened to the old guy.
OP, did y'all take him to the doctor? Or has he always been mean?
Here is a link to the DSM-VI-TR all you wnated to know about dementia but were afraind to ask, remember it could be signs of other medical conditions also.
http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/dsmivtrcodes.htm
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/elder_abuse_physical_emotional_sexual_neglect.htm
What are the signs and symptoms of elder abuse?
The following are warning signs of some kind of elder abuse:
* frequent arguments or tension between the caregiver and the elderly person
*
changes in personality or behavior in the elder
If you suspect elderly abuse, but aren't sure, look for clusters of the following physical and behavioral signs......
JETX said:
Kicking an old, abusing geezer out of a home is NOT elder abuse.
For more, go to:
http://da.co.la.ca.us/seniors/abuse.htm
and from your link showing anger as evidence of emotional abuse
When to suspect a senior may be a victim of physical abuse:
* Obvious lacerations, abrasions, fractures, welts, bruises, discoloration, or swelling
* Pain or tenderness on mere touch
* Burns caused by cigarettes, ropes or other bonds
* Detached retina, bleeding, or scalp wound
* Elder becomes withdrawn or protective of the suspect
EMOTIONAL ABUSE can result from verbal assaults, threats, intimidation, humiliation, or isolation and can cause mental and emotional trauma. Verbally threatening and abusive treatment, and other acts of rage are not acceptable behavior, even if carried out by a son or daughter or family friend. You can report such psychological abuse to Adult Protective Services or to the police. Understand that such intimidating and hurtful conduct is not your fault.
When to suspect a senior may be a victim of emotional abuse:
* Appears depressed and not himself/herself
*
Unusual mood changes and anger
* Fear of being touched or approached by others
* Seems withdrawn and unusually introverted or afraid
NEGLECT is the failure by a caregiver to provide the senior with basic needs. This includes food, shelter, medical assistance, personal hygiene products, heat or air conditioning. Such neglect should be reported. Adult children, especially unemployed or those with a criminal history, may neglect their elder parents. Be leery of giving an adult child with a history of emotional or criminal problems too much control over your money or your life.
When to suspect a senior may be a victim of neglect:
* The elder feels isolated by a caretaker and is unable to speak freely or spend time with others.
* A caretaker fails to assist with personal hygiene or in providing clothing for the elder.
* A caregiver has a history of violence, or alcohol or drug abuse.
* The senior shows signs of dehydration or malnutrition.
* The elder has sudden weight loss.
* The elder does not have necessities, including eyeglasses, dentures, prostheses, hearing aids, canes, walkers, or other critical items.
Not getting medical care could fall into this category
Another form of neglect is self-neglect. Self-neglect is the inability of an elder who does not have a caretaker to provide for himself/herself. Self-neglect is NOT a crime. However, seniors can receive services and assistance from Adult Protective Services.
Important: Often victims of elder abuse can be abused in more ways than one. For example, an abuser may hit the elder (physical abuse) in order to convince him or her to turn over money to the abuser (financial abuse).
My original response, re Jet's re to Blondie, SJ also noted the possibility of change in behavior being related to medical reasons. I clearly qualify reason to evaluate for dementia and give referal to APS... prior to eviciton, neglecting this would be abuse. Please don't take thngs out of context. I don't have a crystal ball and don't need one. I also later quoted the sections of California statute that applied.
rmet4nzkx said:
Actualy it is elder abuse and a violation of W&I codes. It sounds like grandpa has early Altzheimer's and needs to go to see the doctor, grandpa's children have become his implied caregivers, here are some links
http://www.calregistry.com/
Have your parents contact APS, they will connect then to the senior services in their county who can assess your grandfather and help match him to services.
How to Contact APS
Call the Central Intake Unit during business hours at:
(888) 202-4CIU (recommended)
FAX Number for referrals:
(213) 738-6485 (preferred for mandated reporters)
Or call the Hotline after hours and during holidays at:
(877) 4-R-SENIORS
