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Unwed father-to-be part 2

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brandnew1

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I'm back for more insight. Even though it's an unrelated question, I'll keep it in this same thread since that seems to be what is preferable.

Also, for the sake of my question, please just assume that the baby is definitely mine. I understand there is a chance that it is not, but in that case I will just walk away from all of this unscathed. So I really just need advice pertaining to the child belonging to me.

Due to the advice given here, I did end up withdrawing the petition in my county and it was filed in hers. A few weeks later, we had our court date where they ordered a paternity test. A few weeks after that we went for the paternity test. And two weeks from today is our follow up court date to get the results. The baby will be exactly 3 months old on that date.

To this point I've only seen the baby twice: at the first court date and at the paternity test. Mom allowed me to hold the baby for a few minutes the first time, and promised me she would let me come down and see the baby before the paternity test. She proceeded to ignore all my texts leading up to the test date. On the day of the test, same thing: she let me hold the baby for a bit and told me we could absolutely set up more get togethers, and she has completely ignored me since.

I won't pretend to understand why she is doing this. My guess is her new boyfriend is pulling the strings but it's not my place to speculate too much. All I know is trying to rely on her for access to this child seems like a horrible plan. Then again, that's why I filed the petition in the first place.

Now my focus is on establishing a parenting plan and some sort of custody arrangement. I want to be aggressive and swift with this- the way I see it I've already missed three crucial months. I want to have the papers ready to file the moment I get that acknowledgement of paternity two weeks from today.

I am having a hard time finding realistic goals to set for my parenting time with this baby. It is very young, and conventional wisdom states that a baby should not be away from its mother for long stretches. However, I think I have a few things working in my favor.

I'm not your stereotypical 'baby daddy.' I have worked at a baby product retailer for five years and regularly hold seminars on car seat safety, crib safety, and bottle feeding. Furthermore, my family owns and operates an in home daycare that has been going for 17 years now. I have volunteered / worked there for most of my life and taking care of newborns and toddlers is nothing new to me at all.

I don't want to snatch the baby away from her mother, but I do want to get overnight visits at my house relatively soon and have significant time with me at least one day a week right from the start.

What I don't want to do is drive to her house and awkwardly hold the baby for an hour or two while she and her boyfriend 'supervise' me. That just seems wholly unnecessary as I quite frankly don't need supervision. The baby apparently has started going to daycare so it's not as if it cannot be out of mom's sight.

The biggest thing working against me aside from the young age of the child is the distance factor. Mom lives an hour away from me and is in the process of buying a house to move an extra 15-20 minutes further. So that's quite a bit of driving and I'm sure she will use that as a point of resistance. Because of the distance factor though, wouldn't it make more sense for me to see the baby for, say, 6-8 hours two days a week as opposed to 2-3 hours 4 days?

Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. It looks like I will file this parenting plan myself since the mother doesn't want to respond to me. I just want to make sure I am aggressive but realistic in my plan.
 


CJane

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Regardless of your experience with children, what you're seeking is pretty unreasonable for an infant, in the eyes of most courts. Googl the Indiana Parenting Time Guidelines for a stepped up plan that is seen as quite reasonable.

SHORT and FREQUENT visits are seen as best, by just about everyone.
 

brandnew1

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Regardless of your experience with children, what you're seeking is pretty unreasonable for an infant, in the eyes of most courts. Googl the Indiana Parenting Time Guidelines for a stepped up plan that is seen as quite reasonable.

SHORT and FREQUENT visits are seen as best, by just about everyone.

Assuming that the baby is in daycare for 8 hours on a given day, wouldn't that indicate that the infant is okay to be away from mom for more than an hour or two? What if I expressed desire to watch the baby during those 8 hours that she would normally be in daycare. Wouldn't that make more sense to everyone involved than having mom pay a third party to babysit?
 

Silverplum

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Assuming that the baby is in daycare for 8 hours on a given day, wouldn't that indicate that the infant is okay to be away from mom for more than an hour or two? What if I expressed desire to watch the baby during those 8 hours that she would normally be in daycare. Wouldn't that make more sense to everyone involved than having mom pay a third party to babysit?

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Mom will fight you tooth & nail, 99.8372% guaranteed.

Because you have no rights, she'll win, 93.2259% IMO.
 

Just Blue

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Regardless of your experience with children, what you're seeking is pretty unreasonable for an infant, in the eyes of most courts. Googl the Indiana Parenting Time Guidelines for a stepped up plan that is seen as quite reasonable.

SHORT and FREQUENT visits are seen as best, by just about everyone.
OP is in New York. Why should IN guideline be mentioned??
 

LdiJ

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Assuming that the baby is in daycare for 8 hours on a given day, wouldn't that indicate that the infant is okay to be away from mom for more than an hour or two? What if I expressed desire to watch the baby during those 8 hours that she would normally be in daycare. Wouldn't that make more sense to everyone involved than having mom pay a third party to babysit?

You don't just want the baby to be "ok" being away from mom. You want the baby to truly bond with you. You don't want the baby to view you the way the baby would view a daycare provider. Short frequent visits, to start, allow the baby to bond with you without the same clinginess and fear that many children express when being left at daycare.

You and mom really don't live close enough to each other to make you providing all the child's daycare practical. It might work for a while, but eventually the cost of gasoline alone would make that impractical.
 
He would only have to do it for a short time. Look into writting a step up plan. A few hours every other day now, 3 dinners and 1 over nighf at 1yr old,eow when the baby is two by 5 you should be up to at least a 2-2-5-5 plan, week on/week off by 7

You have to put an aggressive plan on paper that ends with a 50/50 plan
 
Look into drifting your own STEPUP parenting plan. You want 50/50 before you child starts school and continued access until then. 3hrs every other day (with STRONG rofr) now(so you can pick her up from daycare). By 1yr old 3 dinners a week and 2 over nights by 3 a 2-2-5-5 plan. Use the general plans as a guideline, but unless they STEPUP to 50/50 ignore that part.
 

LdiJ

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He would only have to do it for a short time. Look into writting a step up plan. A few hours every other day now, 3 dinners and 1 over nighf at 1yr old,eow when the baby is two by 5 you should be up to at least a 2-2-5-5 plan, week on/week off by 7

You have to put an aggressive plan on paper that ends with a 50/50 plan

They live too far away from each other for a 50/50 plan to work. It would be just as problematic as dad trying to get the judge to say that he can provide the daycare for the child. Now, if he opts to move closer to mom, then many more things become possible.
 

Just Blue

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NY doesn't have codified visitation (IIRC). IN has done a pretty good job of codifying theirs and it makes a good reference. :cool:
So...If NY does not have a guideline would that not mean they (NY) determine said guides on a case-by-case evaluation?

Personally I think it a bit ...odd...to direct OP to one of the most restrictive non-custodial states in the Country.
 

LdiJ

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So...If NY does not have a guideline would that not mean they (NY) determine said guides on a case-by-case evaluation?

Personally I think it a bit ...odd...to direct OP to one of the most restrictive non-custodial states in the Country.

I disagree with you that its restrictive...particularly that its "one of the most restrictive". Have you ever read through the entire guidelines, particularly the updated ones?
 

Just Blue

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I disagree with you that its restrictive...particularly that its "one of the most restrictive". Have you ever read through the entire guidelines, particularly the updated ones?

Alrighty then! NY is NOT IN. (Just in case you, and others, can't figure that out):)
 

LdiJ

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Alrighty then! NY is NOT IN. (Just in case you, and others, can't figure that out):)

We all can...but there are no other examples of guidelines that are as comprehensive as Indiana's, or we would refer people to those too.

Its a great place to get ideas about all kinds of issues.
 
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